[Football] Premier League - Project Big Picture

[Beanstalk]

Appreciate what you say but our championship is way above the standard of any other 2nd tier league

Perhaps, but the financial distance between is greater 17th in the PL and 3rd in the EFL is a chasm. The revenue a Championship side (without access to parachute payments) receives is just over 1/8th of that a team finish in 17th in the Premier League would currently get.

Ultimately, a Championship side may stand a chance against someone truly terrible (Norwich/Huddersfield for example) but they would finish bottom, be automatically relegated and wouldn't go into a play-off. Against a Villa/Southampton; absolutely zero chance.

 

[beorhthelm]

Ultimately, a Championship side may stand a chance against someone truly terrible (Norwich/Huddersfield for example) but they would finish bottom, be automatically relegated and wouldn't go into a play-off. Against a Villa/Southampton; absolutely zero chance.

really? cup games between Premier League and Championship often have 2nd tier winning.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

Perhaps, but the financial distance between is greater 17th in the PL and 3rd in the EFL is a chasm. The revenue a Championship side (without access to parachute payments) receives is just over 1/8th of that a team finish in 17th in the Premier League would currently get.

Ultimately, a Championship side may stand a chance against someone truly terrible (Norwich/Huddersfield for example) but they would finish bottom, be automatically relegated and wouldn't go into a play-off. Against a Villa/Southampton; absolutely zero chance.

And to avoid that scenario, some clubs would over spend to maintain the Premier League status, which could then lead to financial trouble when they fail with more clubs going to the wall, all in the attempt to sit at the top table.

 

[Silverhatch]

Doing away with parachute payments probably means administration for any relegated club.

Not really because the EFL are now proposing to share 25% of all PL future generated revenue rather than the current £100m solidarity payments. BUT it's all still Trojan Horse stuff.

 

[Yoda]

The fact they are talking about scrapping parachute payments will mean that it'll never get enough votes to go through. They will need at least 14 votes and with at least 8-10 clubs every season in the division that could be relegated if sucked into it due to a bad run will see to that.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Is it wrong to suggest a complete overhaul of all the leagues possibly, have the Premier League 18 clubs and two Championships of 24 clubs north & south as a way of keeping travel and costs down and increasing more local fixtures and derbys, with everyone else part time and non league essentially ?

Nah that is silly

I would support regionalisation of the leagues at the lower levels (like the old Div 3 North & South), but perhaps with Covid that might need to be moved up a level...

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

Probably just a coincidence that Liverpool and Manchester United got pummeled 7-2 and 1-6 respectively.....

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

I would support regionalisation of the leagues at the lower levels (like the old Div 3 North & South), but perhaps with Covid that might need to be moved up a level...

If you had a north and south championship with one promotion each and then a play off next four each division then the winner from north and south play off to meet the team in 16th spot in the Premier League, they would be knackered and have less chance of wining and the odds would be balanced in the 16th spot even more, I can see the Premier league liking that.

 

[Seasider78]

The fact they are talking about scrapping parachute payments will mean that it'll never get enough votes to go through. They will need at least 14 votes and with at least 8-10 clubs every season in the division that could be relegated if sucked into it due to a bad run will see to that.

So whilst Parry and co try to make the power play and exploit the current desperation those 8-10 clubs become demonised for being the ones who vote against the ‘safety package’ for the EFL.

You can bet the first thing the newly created group would vote for is negotiation of their own TV rights meaning the Broadcasting money would very soon not be trickling down as would not be PL money.

 

[SweatyMexican]

Foxes trying to design the henhouse.

Money filtering down into the lower leagues and grassroots is a must, but not at the price of control we’d give to the top 6. It would just get worse and worse and football really would never be the same again. It wouldn’t be English sport anymore.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

really? cup games between Premier League and Championship often have 2nd tier winning.

Battle of the 2nd teams though.

 

[Pavilionaire]

This is a really good article from Martin Samuel

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ig-Picture-disgusting-Big-Six-power-grab.html

Once again, Martin Samuel has nailed it.

What the money men want is a Premier League consisting of Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, Newcastle, Aston Villa, West Ham, Leicester, Southampton, Wolves, Notts Forest and a Sheffield side.

Of the other 2 spots the money men would love that to be Rangers and Celtic. Get those 2 in, then pull up the drawbridge. Otherwise, it'll be 2 of Brighton, Palace, Derby and West Brom taking turns to be the whipping boys every other season.

 

[e77]

Is it wrong to suggest a complete overhaul of all the leagues possibly, have the Premier League 18 clubs and two Championships of 24 clubs north & south as a way of keeping travel and costs down and increasing more local fixtures and derbys, with everyone else part time and non league essentially ?

Nah that is silly

Bearing in mind Covid-19 seems, at the moment at least, to be hitting North and South differently, splitting the leagues into North and South for this season at least would have been a good idea in hindsight.

 

[Beanstalk]

really? cup games between Premier League and Championship often have 2nd tier winning.

Actually, looking at the stats over a ten year period, only 21% of FA Cup matches between a Premier League side and a Championship side ended with the lower ranked team progressing. Interestingly, over ten years, only 2 sides have won the Bundesliga relegation play-off and been promoted = 20%.

Accordingly, the implication is that a Championship side would be likely to get promoted through the play-offs once every five years. It is a way of closing the door but keeping a glimmer of hope alive for those outside.

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If we take the past 5 years as an example of what a 3rd vs 18th game would look like we see the following:

2016: Brighton vs Newcastle (Rafa Benitez)
2017: Reading (Jaap Stam) vs Hull
2018: Fulham vs Swansea
2019: Leeds vs Cardiff
2020: Brentford vs Bournemouth

1/5 times I'd have backed the team finishing third in the Championship as favourites. Obviously things might've played out differently on the pitch but statistically, the implication lines up with the example.

 

[Saladpack Seagull]

All Premier League clubs have the exclusive rights to sell eight live matches a season directly to fans via their own digital platforms in all international territories.

So how long before 1am kick offs for American East Coast Prime Time and 4am kick offs for West Coast Prime Time, combined with lunchtime lick offs or earlier for the Far East.

I'm liking the sound of a lunchtime lick off!

 

[beorhthelm]

Actually, looking at the stats over a ten year period, only 21% of FA Cup matches between a Premier League side and a Championship side ended with the lower ranked team progressing. Interestingly, over ten years, only 2 sides have won the Bundesliga relegation play-off and been promoted = 20%.

glad you dug out the stats so i didnt have to. was really only remarking on the "zero chance", its better than that. i wonder what rate the playoff winner goes straight back down, as indication they weren't really up to it. its not something i would like to see, but its not the first time suggested and not terrible as ideas go.

 

[The Fifth Column]

American owners of Scouse Soccerballers playing at the Anfield Superdrome and Manchester Marauders from Trafford Field seem intent to turn the PL into a NFL style borefest.

 

[Beanstalk]

glad you dug out the stats so i didnt have to. was really only remarking on the "zero chance", its better than that. i wonder what rate the playoff winner goes straight back down, as indication they weren't really up to it. its not something i would like to see, but its not the first time suggested and not terrible as ideas go.

Whilst nothing is impossible, playing against a stacked hand is not ideal. That's what a relegation play-off does. If you need to have a big money spinner at the end of the season to boost the funds, the current system works wonders.

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The probability of a cupset is actually a really interesting stat set - you are marginally more likely to see a League One team cause an upset against a PL team than a Championship team and the split between Championship and L1 is about 60/40.

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Regarding the play-offs, between 2000 and 2019 (20 seasons), 19 different teams won the playoffs (only West Ham won it twice).

45% of winners were relegated in their first season (9/20). An additional 20% (13/20 - 65%) were relegated within two campaigns.
Bolton lasted 11 seasons, Swansea 7. West Ham and Palace are currently ongoing with 8 years and 7 years in the league respectively.

 

[Jaxie]

Rick Parry, chairman of EFL, gushing over the idea and defending Liverpool and United this morning on Today Programme. Says it all really. I think it would be in footballs best interests if the top 6 buggered off to their super league. If Barcelona/Bayern/Juventus v Liverpool/Chelsea/man u is boring enough already, how long could they realistically sustain the concept? Maybe then we might get some competitive football back, and a top division with more variety of teams likely to win it.

 

[Cozzy]

Rick Parry backing it was hardly a surprise , he was part of the 'negotiating' team that came up with this idea..... and of course he is ex Liverpool so probably getting a big back hander to push it