[Film] Post Film Discussion Star Wars TLJ WARNING don’t view will contain spoilers

[BadFish]

You're missing the point(s). So many of the originals had parts that were flaky that you are trying to set a standard that none of the originals were ever subjected to. And it's a sci-fi, supernatural film which you are picking apart for being unbelievable. The whole premise of the genre demands that you suspend disbelief.

I'm a big SW fan, I went to see it again last night at the iMax at Waterloo (where I bumped into Wozza quite randomly) but nowhere near the levels of my brother's family incl. his kids, his wife and her brother who are all the biggest Star Wars fans you could ever hope to meet. It's an obsession with them but none of them indulge in your kind of fandom. No offence intended but your approach is ruining any chance of enjoying the film for what it is.

I'm with Uncle Spielberg on this, it's a great film. If you are after a bit of escapism that the whole family can enjoy then take them along to this film. If you are after something altogether far more deep and meaningful with plenty of political metaphors then I suggest Battleship Potemkin.

I am convinced, will do this in Melbourne in the next few day. Looking forward to my third viewing.

 

[Bold Seagull]

What's the Crawley IMAX like in comparison to Waterloo?

 

[Hungry Joe]

I really enjoyed it. I don't go to Sci-Fi films for a lesson in physics but for escapism and entertainment, and hopefully something that in some way moves me. On first viewing The Last Jedi delivered for me on those scores, particularly the character developments. The action scenes were breathtaking, there were some good jokes and fun moments, and for a long film I only really lost a bit of focus for a short spell during the Casino bit, which was still ok but just not as good as the rest of the film. To me it felt like a blend of the best elements of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, but brought up to date and with a bit more funk. Having avoided all spoilers there were scenes and developments which genuinely surprised me, and I left feeling like I'd been to an event and thinking (and caring) about the characters and what might come next. I didn't exactly feel like a kid again, but it did remind me of the thrill you get when you suspend belief for a time and strap yourself in for the ride.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

The original Death Star was blown up by proton torpedoes that could turn 90 degrees from their original trajectory. I presume all the purists are fine with that and the fact that neither the Empire or resistance have given any further thought to weapons that can shoot around corners.

This was clearly explained in star wars as Luke could bullseye womp rats in his T-16 back home presumably round corners. Given Chewie was made to feel guilty about munching on his McPorg with fries, I'm guessing the directors decided to dispense with a similar line about animal cruelty to get around complex physics issues to avoid upsetting any lentil eating vegan snowflakes in the audience.

 

[Hungry Joe]

Star Wars is not really sci-fi. Its fantasy action mostly. Something like Blade runner is proper sci-fi. Star wars does not ask any questions about the human race and technology and is set in vastly different reality that it is just fantasy.

No disrespect, but it's exactly this kind of nitpicking that spoils any debate on film or other art for me. Serious question - what is the point?

 

[Hungry Joe]

Hey, liked the new film. All I am saying is that it is not really sci-fi, and so if people are going to judge it as that then it will fall way short, as it is fantasy. It is a great fantasy film.
Its like saying terminator 2 is a terrible rom-com. You just have to measure it against what it is. It is important as the people banging on about gravity or overpowered characters, blah blah, have missed the point it is fantasy not sci-fi.

Ah, ok, I see your point....sort of

 

[Buzzer]

This was clearly explained in star wars as Luke could bullseye womp rats in his T-16 back home presumably round corners. Given Chewie was made to feel guilty about munching on his McPorg with fries, I'm guessing the directors decided to dispense with a similar line about animal cruelty to get around complex physics issues to avoid upsetting any lentil eating vegan snowflakes in the audience.

Fair enough, although I always thought the line about womp rats is a reference to being able to hit a target that small whilst travelling at speed.

My lads and I have been binge watching Star Wars today and we have spotted a plot hole in the latest film which has us puzzled although there's probably an explanation for this as well - a major part of the latest film is the new technology to track a ship through hyperspace but in A New Hope, it's exactly what the Empire did to the Millenium Falcon. Or I presume it is.....

Anyone with an explanation for this?

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Fair enough, although I always thought the line about womp rats is a reference to being able to hit a target that small whilst travelling at speed.

My lads and I have been binge watching Star Wars today and we have spotted a plot hole in the latest film which has us puzzled although there's probably an explanation for this as well - a major part of the latest film is the new technology to track a ship through hyperspace but in A New Hope, it's exactly what the Empire did to the Millenium Falcon. Or I presume it is.....

Anyone with an explanation for this?

Didn't they say they had installed a tracker on the Falcon before letting them escape?, hence why Vader said i hope this works (or words to those effects)

 

[Buzzer]

Didn't they say they had installed a tracker on the Falcon before letting them escape?, hence why Vader said i hope this works (or words to those effects)

Yes, my point exactly. They stuck a tracker on the Falcon knowing it would jump to hyperspace.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Fair enough, although I always thought the line about womp rats is a reference to being able to hit a target that small whilst travelling at speed.

My lads and I have been binge watching Star Wars today and we have spotted a plot hole in the latest film which has us puzzled although there's probably an explanation for this as well - a major part of the latest film is the new technology to track a ship through hyperspace but in A New Hope, it's exactly what the Empire did to the Millenium Falcon. Or I presume it is.....

Anyone with an explanation for this?

I might be wrong but the MF was tracked because they planted a device in the ship. In this latest film I think the implication was they were being tracked without any device being planted? Or did I miss a bit?

 

[Buzzer]

I might be wrong but the MF was tracked because they planted a device in the ship. In this latest film I think the implication was they were being tracked without any device being planted? Or did I miss a bit?

Now you say that I get what Guy Fawkes was on about and it makes perfect sense. Cheers.

 

[Stat Brother]

Sorry but I'd like to take you all back to Star Wars for Dummies, esp as this question should have been asked after the last film.

Have StormTroopers always been 'human'?
I always kind of thought (without thinking) they were robots, AI, machines, etc, basically 'built'.

The 2 walking around the corner then hightailing it out of there, as fella was losing his shite, was a particularly enjoyable scene.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Sorry but I'd like to take you all back to Star Wars for Dummies, esp as this question should have been asked after the last film.

Have StormTroopers always been 'human'?
I always kind of thought (without thinking) they were robots, AI, machines, etc, basically 'built'.

The 2 walking around the corner then hightailing it out of there, as fella was losing his shite, was a particularly enjoyable scene.

Yes, how do you think Luke dressed up as one or Obi Wan using a Jedi mind trick on them?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

This well thought out video sums up my feels on TLJ. I urge even those who dislike the film to give it a watch.

 

[Chicken Run]

This well thought out video sums up my feels on TLJ. I urge even those who dislike the film to give it a watch.

I gave it a watch and it doesn’t change my mind but thanks for taking the time to post [emoji106]

 

[UTT]

Watched it with the family at imex and got to say I was disappointed.

Daughter is still traumatised by the green stuff out of the sea lions tits!

Lea space walk, killing off luke, too much time wasted on freeing the "horses", etc

Biggest thing is though why did'nt glam admiral purple rinse do the thing with the ship when the first transport was blasted rather than waiting till most of them were goners?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Watched it with the family at imex and got to say I was disappointed.

Daughter is still traumatised by the green stuff out of the sea lions tits!

Lea space walk, killing off luke, too much time wasted on freeing the "horses", etc

Biggest thing is though why did'nt glam admiral purple rinse do the thing with the ship when the first transport was blasted rather than waiting till most of them were goners?

I did say this at the time watching, but introspect this only worked because of General Hux's arrogance and hubris. If I remember correctly, he was told to deal with the cruiser as it turned, but chose to concentrate fire on the departing ships. Admiral Holdo's ploy of flying into them at light speed only works because Hux makes that error - hence the original plan of just flying onward as if the pursuit was to continue, because it had little chance of success (relying on an idiot) I guess Holdo didn't think of it until a last desperate act.

Agree about the Fin and the cryptographer, it was the part of the film I didn't really feel was necessary at that length. All the other parts did seem to serve a purpose of character development for the story to come.

I know people really struggle with where Luke has gone, but in ESB he was always this impatient, impetuous largely flawed young man. The failure to train his nephew, the catastrophe of Han and his sister's son had to be beyond devastating, a failure that he just couldn't properly live with. To brush over that and just have some Jedi Master guru train up Rey and save the day - I'm glad they didn't go this route.

 

[Normal Rob]

I thought it was pretty poor too, however my 9 year old loved it. My biggest issues were (and yes, i'm sure they've been commented on earlier in the thread)

Leia spacewalk - just cringey
Snoke - who was he? where did he come from? would have loved to know a bit more about his background. Also his death - rubbish. All that power but didn't see any of that coming.
The casino scence - just dull, and 95% pointless
Luke - milking that 'thing', his death. both awful for different reasons. One embarassing, one highly dissapointing.
The rebel ship trying to escape at exactly, and i mean exactly, the same speed as the Star Destroyer. It never pulled away by 5 yards, nor lost ground either.

I'm sure that some could put me right on one or two things but i'm not that bothered. My 9 year old love it and to me that is what is important.

 

[StonehamPark]

Just one little flaw in the main story on TLJ.
The resistance were going to eventually burn all their fuel being chased.

I'm not a scientist by any means, but once they're at max speed, just turn the ignition off and they'll coast along nicely for as long as they want... Right?

 

[looney]

This is a very good example of the very selective criticism that superficially sounds justified but is ultimately just navel-gazing. Ben Shapiro is right that the gravitational force in space is much weaker BUT he's arbitrarily applying physics from the real world into specific scenes but doesn't have any problem with there being normal gravity within a spaceship that allows people to walk normally, for water leaking out of a suit to drop to the ground or cute creatures splatter against windows when the Millenium Falcon makes a sharp turn.

What's more if you want a real world solution to the conundrum of falling bombs in space then you don't need to look any further than a target-locating system within the bombs. I'm genuinely puzzled by what these critics hope to achieve with this nit-picking.

Its not just nit picking though, its standard sci-fi lore among many aspects that were wrong with it, a good film for 7 to 12 year olds and thats about it.

HNY and go fry a Porg.