Port Vale doomed?

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Sounds just like Glover. Should fit right in.

Hopefully a change of scene will help. Often a mistake to go back to a club where you had past glories.

Exactly - very rare to succeed second time around at the same place.

Personally I think he will do OK - I hope so, despite his crap management second time around he is a decent man - the expectation level will be lower at PV

I do hope he comes back and takes Hawkins off our hands though.

God you lot must hate the success Stoke are having!

 

[BensGrandad]

I think that he will do well as Stoke is near enough to the large number of clubs in the North West and also the Midlands and he will use his scouting experience for Stoke to secure tried and tested pros to win promotion from Div 2, after that who knows.

 

[Monkey Man]

I have a feeling it's going to be a good move for him. I think MA is at his best when he's got a point to prove - when he was with us first time around he was bitter at the Fulham/Kevin Keegan thing and I'm sure now he'd like to remind his doubters in Sussex that he can still put a team together capable of storming through the lower leagues.

Good luck to him. I'm prepared to pretend last season never happened, given what he achieved here first time.

 

[saintvaliant]

God you lot must hate the success Stoke are having!

There have been better years than the last two with us going down, and then struggling in League 2, and them going up, and staying up at what turned out to be a canter.

Still, what goes around comes around. Hopefully when they do fall out the top flight, it'll be a one way ticket through a couple of leagues.

As an update, he's come across very well in interviews today. He's got a good set-up to inherit - stadium, facilities etc are geared up for 2 leagues higher really, but the squad is largely poor, and needs some good signings and coaching.

Trust me, he conner be any worse than the past 2 jokers we've had. Dean Glover - playing legend, dog turd of a manager.

 

[Brovion]

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Trust me, he conner be any worse than the past 2 jokers we've had. ...

I think that will be the main difference. When Adams came the first time the club was at a low ebb. Not the lowest admittedly, that was in 1997, but still we were more used to defeat, relegation and skin-of -the teeth survival as opposed to promotion. Consequently anything even vaguely good would have been welcome, the fact that he built a team which won not just back-to-back promotions but back-to-back championships was fantastic.

The second time he came he took over from a manager who was sacked despite getting us to 7th (up from 17th the previous season). Whether that was an overachieving flash-in-the-pan we'll never know, but it did mean that he was taking over a team where expectations were high - after all no sane board would sack a relatively-successful manager unless they were convinced they could get someone better. (It turns out the board WERE collectively insane but that's another story and it's all blood under the bridge now anyway). Adams started off on the wrong foot by rubbishing the home record of the previous manager and it all went downhill from there. Instead of the promotion campaign we were all expecting we were very soon sliding down the table on the back of some truly woeful home performances. The pressure began to tell quite quickly and certainly by Christmas he was a broken man. It was actually very sad listening to someone who'd always been quite sparky coming out with the most pathetic comments such as "The players need a cuddle" and "That was the mighty Leeds Utd we were playing." In the end it was a mercy-killing.

So as he's starting with you with zero expectation hopefully he won't crack quite so quickly. If he's learnt from his mistakes and if you don't expect the earth it could all work out. I certainly wish him well and like Alan Mullery (who also was a success with us first time and a failure the second) I'm sure I'll forget his disasterours second spell and only remember the success we had with him.
If Adams

 

[Jamie]

For me and my mates, the reason why Adams is not popular is because his brand of football (along with his mate Dave Bassett) has set English football back years.We know he did well with Zamora in the 4th div but that doesnt get over the main problem with Adams (and other "football people"

The hoof and chase way of playing football is not "effective", keeping the ball is effective, just ask Swansea and Barca. Adams has yet to understand that. He also is "football person" like David Pleat, Dave Bassett and the list goes on. These engish "football people" know sod all about football but spend their life telling all the punters that really, they know what's best because they are "football people" - yeah right - HOOOOF is all they know.

"Position of maximum opportunity" football is a garbage theoy, and does not work, hence we have not won the world cup since 1966. POMO hoof and run is not effective - even in England any mre, and that is wat Adams tried last season after ripping up a passing side built by Wilkins.

The way to play football is Spain in the Euro's, Barca in the European Cup and Swansea in the lower divisions, pass, pass and pass some more. If you keep the ball the other side cant do anything with it, and you can.

Still you never know, Adams may have seen the European cup final, may have seen that the 3 best players were all under 5ft8 and he might have learnt that football is about skill and passing, rather than running around alot - but if I as a Vale fan, I wouldn't hold my breath !

Its nothin personal against Adams, Bassett, Graham Taylor and the like, its just they know sod all about how to play football in an effective way.