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Poll - The Passion of The Christ



Uncle Spielberg

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Having watched or rather endured this film finally last night. I am unsure in my mind whether it was a great film. It has total shock value no doubt. The punishment met out to Jesus was brutal and unrelenting.

No mere mortal could have withstood a 1/10 th of the punishment and 99% of men would have died during the 15 minute flagulation scene. Jesus endured this and the 30 minute walk up the hill with the cross. He was superman , was this the point ?, not a mere mortal.

The crusifixion was again brutal and horrific. The Romans acted like 10 year old retards all of them but I don't by this anti semitic accusation.

However the unrelenting brutality somehow made you desensitised to Jesus and after the 50th whip ripping into his back it felt , enough already. By the time he was cruxified he was not more than a piece of meat. The emotional impact was not as great as it should have been.

It was not as good as a film like Schindler's List but overall I would give it 7-8 out of 10.
 






zefarelly

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Jul 7, 2003
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its fictional shyte based on fictional shyte produced by a bible basher that believes fictional shyte, thats Hollywood :lolol:
 




On the Left Wing

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Oct 9, 2003
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An incredible film GG. But not entertainment nor a film I would like to see again for some time.

The acting was first rate and the portrayal of Jesus, Satan, Judas and Pilate was particularly outstanding. Also Gibson’s bold step to make the film in Aramaic and Hebrew Latin really worked IMHO.

I am a Christian – though not an evangelist - and also a history graduate. Certainly the type of crucifixion seemed accurate from what historical evidence that remains. But the flagalation and torture beforehand was barbaric. I still squirm when I think of it!

I couldn’t give it a rating because I can’t compare it to any other film. Schindlers List was engrossing and entertaining as well as testement to history. Other films such as Amistad, Glory or the Killing Fields fall into that same category …. but none comes close to the category that the Passion holds!
 




Grizz

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Gareth Glover said:


No mere mortal could have withstood a 1/10 th of the punishment and 99% of men would have died during the 15 minute flagulation scene. Jesus endured this and the 30 minute walk up the hill with the cross. He was superman , was this the point ?, not a mere mortal.

The crusifixion was again brutal and horrific. The Romans acted like 10 year old retards all of them but I don't by this anti semitic accusation.

Its quite interesting to read the accounts from the New Testaments about the crucifixion and whether Jesus did actually die on the cross. According to which gospel you read it took Jesus 3-9 hours to die on the cross, yet in most cases of healthy young men it usually took days. When you are crucified you die from suffocation rather than blood loss as when your legs finally cannot support your body weight any longer they give way and you are only supported by your hands which compresses your lungs and stomach and you cannot breathe. The two men that were crucified at the same time as Jesus had to have their legs broken by the Romans to speed up their death after a couple of days, yet Jesus died 3-9 hours after being put up there. It doesn't quite ring true.

Well worth checking out a well balanced documentary on BBC4 called "Did Jesus die?" Gives lots of different explanations from all points of view.

Oh and i've never seen the film and must admit don't intend to.

Grizz
 


Uncle Spielberg

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I agree that it is a film everyone should see once. However I would not want to watch it again for sometime. The violence was unrelenting which is probably what Gibson intended to show what really happened on the cross.

I would have liked to have seen more of the history beforehand so you could empathise more when you saw all the good he did and teached.

It needed you to be pretty much in touch with the story of Jesus beforehand.

I would imagine for someone with very strong faith the film would be an affirmation of their faith and the visit to the cinema would have been a pilgramage. Indeed in the USA the film took $ 375 000 0000. Here it took a more modest £ 11 000 000.

Certainly Gibson's enactment and direction and choreographer were very good indeed.
 


On the Left Wing

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Oct 9, 2003
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Gareth Glover said:
I would have liked to have seen more of the history beforehand so you could empathise more when you saw all the good he did and teached.

I agree ... the flashbacks were good but they could have been longer and more of them, not enough love and good to outweigh the evil and cruelty
 




Tom Bombadil

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Jul 14, 2003
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Serious question for the christians among you. Does Gibsons attachment to a fundamentalist Catholic splinter group make you question his interpretion of the events.
 


Titanic

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Jul 5, 2003
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No... it seemed pretty true to my understanding of events from the gospels.

The only 'artistic licence' as far as I am aware was the physical appearance of Satan in the crowd and Jesus falling off the bridge while carrying his cross.

Not sure if there is any 'significance' to these, but it didn't raise any major questions in my mind.
 


oldham gull

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Jul 24, 2003
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Gibson did show some of his 'catholic leanings' in a few interpretative scenes & a strong focus on Mary, but then he was also telling a story & so this doesnt cause a problem. As a whole, the portrayal is close to the biblical account, with some artistic licence.
 




Hungry Joe.

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Mar 5, 2004
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I just can't get enough of posting this classic....

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Titanic

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oldham gull said:
Gibson did show some of his 'catholic leanings' in a few interpretative scenes & a strong focus on Mary...

Although I've not read any of it myself, much of his 'Mary' material seems to rely on Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich, rather than the bible.

However, this didn't 'spoil' it for me... it seemed peripheral to the main story.
 


oldham gull

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Jul 24, 2003
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No, it didn't spoil it for me either. Not sure about the eye getting pecked out and Barabas missing an eye, whether this is symbolic for something. If it is, it's beyond me!
 




Titanic

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and the serpent crushing.. and a meeting with Judas (when he fell off the bridge ??)... mmm... more things coming back to me, but still the overall impression seemed right.
 


Faldo

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Jul 7, 2003
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I though Judas hanged himself?

Anyone else read the Da Vinci code? Interesting take on things (albeit not very related to the crucifixion).
 


Uncle Spielberg

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Judas hung himself after being tormented by some kids in the images of the Devil. He realised he had dropped a big boo boo.

The most moving scene was when Jesus fell to the ground until the weight of the cross and Mary flashed back to him falling over as a child and grazing his knee. She ran over to him and kissed him.

The tears started to well up at that point I must say.
 


Sorrel

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Jul 5, 2003
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It was not as good as a film like Schindler's List but overall I would give it 7-8 out of 10.
You gave the suffering of the son of God, who came to die for our sins 7-8 out of 10?

Sounds like you're on the way to hell, young man.
 




Uncle Spielberg

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It got 7.4 on average with imdb. Maybe were all going to hell !.
 


Titanic

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Faldo said:
Anyone else read the Da Vinci code? Interesting take on things (albeit not very related to the crucifixion).

No spoilers please... I'm just starting to read this :)
 


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