[Albion] Points Required for 6th Place - Us, Liverpool, Spurs & Villa Remaining Fixtures

[Official Old Man]

Europa Conference explained.
For anyone interested, here are the details of all the qualifying stages from 2022.
We've 6 hours before KO so can anyone make sense of this?

2022–23 UEFA Europa Conference League qualifying phase and play-off round - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As a hint, look for West Ham who finished 7th last season.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

The results yesterday have me feeling aggrieved all over again about the Palace and Spurs shambles.

I do think we'll get a European spot of some description but you just know they're going to cost us a bigger prize at the end of the season.

Indeed we could and should be looking at winning today to going 4th with games in hand

 

[chrisg]

Europa Conference explained.
For anyone interested, here are the details of all the qualifying stages from 2022.
We've 6 hours before KO so can anyone make sense of this?

2022–23 UEFA Europa Conference League qualifying phase and play-off round - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It’s not a 3pm game mate !

5.30. Don’t turn up for 3pm

 

[Official Old Man]

It’s not a 3pm game mate !

5.30. Don’t turn up for 3pm

Ooops. Cant count. Truth is 3pm is pub meet time.

 

[Machiavelli]

Name your price.

Excellent.
1, we're on a thread entitled 'points required for sixth place'. Although it doesn't say so, what it's effectively asking is 'how many points will the team finishing in seventh get'. The team directly above with more points -- or the same points and a better goal difference -- than that team in seventh will have sufficient to finish in sixth place.
2, I wrote: "As a related aside, I'm getting utterly perplexed/irritated by those that claim that we need 9 or 10 points to get into the EL", to which you responded: "Perhaps that is because11 is needed, barring an unimaginable GD swing. 8 enough for ECL."
3, I replied that I'd be willing to have a bet with you that we don't, and you responded with 'name your price'.
4, since I wrote the comment about 9 or 10 points, Spurs and Villa have played, the former winning, the latter losing -- in other words, in terms of Villa the situation has got worse for your argument, while the situation with Spurs has got better for your position
5, My price is £100. The winnings can go to the Trussell Trust. If the sixth placed team gets 66 points, I will be making this donation, whereas if the sixth placed team requires fewer than 66 points, you will.

 

[Triggaaar]

Indeed we could and should be looking at winning today to going 4th with games in hand

6th?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

6th?

Read the post I quoted, we should be 5 points better off, thus we would be vying for 4th today.

 

[Triggaaar]

Read the post I quoted, we should be 5 points better off, thus we would be vying for 4th today.

Got it, thanks

 

[Justice]

The results yesterday have me feeling aggrieved all over again about the Palace and Spurs shambles.

I do think we'll get a European spot of some description but you just know they're going to cost us a bigger prize at the end of the season.

We’ve also thrown games away we were in complete control of. Brentford we had about a billion shots on goal and got sucker punched by Fulham at home. It’s easy to point at those VAR errors without VAR we we would two points behind as we don’t get the pen against Manure. As Mac said that’s football we have to keep going.

 

[Krafty]

I may be drunk, but I can still do the maths - I went to college. 2 + 1 is 3, quick maths.

I'm looking for mystic meg predictions here, not basic arithmetic.

I think Spurs will get from 4-6 points, finishing on 61-63.
Therefore we would need 6-8 points.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

We’ve also thrown games away we were in complete control of. Brentford we had about a billion shots on goal and got sucker punched by Fulham at home. It’s easy to point at those VAR errors without VAR we we would two points behind as we don’t get the pen against Manure. As Mac said that’s football we have to keep going.

It isn't as simple as without VAR we'd be two points behind because we don't get the penalty against Man Utd, as that doesn't take into account the other VAR decisions made in every other game for us and every other team this season.

Mac's goal against Spurs and Pervis against Palace get given without VAR so that's at least 3 points there (forgetting about penalties in the Spurs as they were never given in the first place). Ali Mac gets a hat-trick against Leicester as well but that didn't effect the result of the match, but we'd be another goal better off.

I think I saw a table that shows that VAR decisions actually meant we were 7 points worse off than we would be without VAR, but that was before the Man Utd game so assume it's now -4 for the season. I'm sure it was posted on here (it was a table based on VAR actually changing an on-field decision though so again the penalty claims against Spurs wouldn't be taken into account).

 

[GJN1]

We’ve also thrown games away we were in complete control of. Brentford we had about a billion shots on goal and got sucker punched by Fulham at home. It’s easy to point at those VAR errors without VAR we we would two points behind as we don’t get the pen against Manure. As Mac said that’s football we have to keep going.

See also Forest at home.

 

[Justice]

It isn't as simple as without VAR we'd be two points behind because we don't get the penalty against Man Utd, as that doesn't take into account the other VAR decisions made in every other game for us and every other team this season.

Mac's goal against Spurs and Pervis against Palace get given without VAR so that's at least 3 points there (forgetting about penalties in the Spurs as they were never given in the first place). Ali Mac gets a hat-trick against Leicester as well but that didn't effect the result of the match, but we'd be another goal better off.

I think I saw a table that shows that VAR decisions actually meant we were 7 points worse off than we would be without VAR, but that was before the Man Utd game so assume it's now -4 for the season. I'm sure it was posted on here (it was a table based on VAR actually changing an on-field decision though so again the penalty claims against Spurs wouldn't be taken into account).

How do you know how those games would have ended though? Spurs yes we probably would of won Palace who knows.

 

[Triggaaar]

How do you know how those games would have ended though? Spurs yes we probably would of won Palace who knows.

You can't guarantee, but best guess says we'd have won against Palace. Palace created nothing all game and only got a goal because of a freak mistake. When we scored our second, we continued attacking - so had our first goal correctly stood, we would have continued attacking and there's no reason to suspect our second wouldn't have still happened.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

How do you know how those games would have ended though? Spurs yes we probably would of won Palace who knows.

We don't know how those games would have ended, we can make a guess though. The VAR table that was produced takes the simplistic approach that nothing else changes other than the VAR decisions because that is a known variable that actually happened and had a potentially game changing effect.

 

[The Grockle]

Without VAR it would have taken a brave ref to give us that penalty against united especially with refs historically bottling decisions against united.

Not suggesting for a second it was a clear penalty but VAR meant there was no question.

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

This thread has become VARy boring now

 

[Triggaaar]

Without VAR it would have taken a brave ref to give us that penalty against united especially with refs historically bottling decisions against united.

Not suggesting for a second it was a clear penalty but VAR meant there was no question.

The comments aren't generally about being 'without VAR', but without the unacceptable mistakes they've made against us.

 

[warmleyseagull]

Excellent.
1, we're on a thread entitled 'points required for sixth place'. Although it doesn't say so, what it's effectively asking is 'how many points will the team finishing in seventh get'. The team directly above with more points -- or the same points and a better goal difference -- than that team in seventh will have sufficient to finish in sixth place.
2, I wrote: "As a related aside, I'm getting utterly perplexed/irritated by those that claim that we need 9 or 10 points to get into the EL", to which you responded: "Perhaps that is because11 is needed, barring an unimaginable GD swing. 8 enough for ECL."
3, I replied that I'd be willing to have a bet with you that we don't, and you responded with 'name your price'.
4, since I wrote the comment about 9 or 10 points, Spurs and Villa have played, the former winning, the latter losing -- in other words, in terms of Villa the situation has got worse for your argument, while the situation with Spurs has got better for your position
5, My price is £100. The winnings can go to the Trussell Trust. If the sixth placed team gets 66 points, I will be making this donation, whereas if the sixth placed team requires fewer than 66 points, you will.

OK, just would rather split 50:50 with https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/mark-sims5. OK?

 

[BrickTamland]

All I know is we will need it sewn up before the Villa game as I’m getting chills thinking about needing something final day