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PMQ - Boris v Starmer - Spider And The Fly







Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Do you not think how much more credibility Starmer would gain should he keep suggesting ideas publicly?

In a time where the PM is under scrutiny, rather than pick holes, he would appear in a much better light with positive plans at a time where we need unity.

If the Govt then chose to ignore him, think how his halo might grow.

Surprised his spin team haven't gone this route.

It’s surprising the government aren’t concentrating on how to go forward instead of a minister & two backbenchers trying to pick holes with a doctored video copied from an alt right group.
 


Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,461
Uffern
He's doing his job as leader of the opposition. It's exactly what he's supposed to do. Plus he's doing it in a respectful and intelligent manner.

This bullshit about "unity" is yet another Johnson / Cummings smokescreen when what we need is clarity and FACTS.

Don't believe the hype.

Exactly. At times of national crisis in the past, goverments have sought an element of unity by forming a national government (Napoleonic War, WW1, Depression of the 20s, WW2); Johnson said no to that. If he wants it party political then it's incumbent on the opposition to criticise - that's their function.

The government can't have it both ways: it can't be something for the Tories to manage on their own and something for the opposition to work with them
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
60,320
The Fatherland
At a time when the country should unite against this virus, and after Labour asked to be part of the meetings to combat it, this seems a little awkward.

The twice Starmer has questioned the Govt, without saying how he would have handled it any differently, does not seem a constructive way forward for the country.

Unless pointing at each other over the dispatch box like schoolkids is beneficial of course.

As I said before, it's like shooting fish in a barrel for Starmer right now. Let's hear some constructive suggestions and plans rather than criticism. If he's to make a decent PM, then time to show his skills.

The whole point and purpose of “the opposition” and PMQs is to hold the government to account for its actions. Both are purposefully there and both are tools of a functioning and democratic parliament. Starmer doesn’t have to provide solutions....that’s up to Boris...after all he’s the PM.
 


Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
24,041
Sussex by the Sea
It’s surprising the government aren’t concentrating on how to go forward instead of a minister & two backbenchers trying to pick holes with a doctored video copied from an alt right group.

Yeah, well they started it.

Na na na na na.
 




Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
24,041
Sussex by the Sea
The whole point and purpose of “the opposition” and PMQs is to hold the government to account for its actions. Both are purposefully there and both are tools of a functioning and democratic parliament. Starmer doesn’t have to provide solutions....that’s up to Boris...after all he’s the PM.

Cop out.

At business meetings I always accept criticisms and questions with open arms, but they are so much more powerful when backed up with alternatives.
 


hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
Helpful Moderator
Mar 16, 2005
61,763
Chandlers Ford
Exactly. At times of national crisis in the past, goverments have sought an element of unity by forming a national government (Napoleonic War, WW1, Depression of the 20s, WW2); Johnson said no to that. If he wants it party political then it's incumbent on the opposition to criticise - that's their function.

The government can't have it both ways: it can't be something for the Tories to manage on their own and something for the opposition to work with them

Indeed. And the likes of [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION] know this just as well as the rest of us, of course.

But like all of the rest of the Tory sycophants he’s embarrassed by his hero’s failings, and needs to try to defend the indefensible at every turn, however silly it looks. Attacking any criticism, fair, constructive, or otherwise, seems to be number one in the Defend Boris Playbook.
 


Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
24,041
Sussex by the Sea
Indeed. And the likes of @Is it PotG know this just as well as the rest of us, of course.

But like all of the rest of the Tory sycophants he’s embarrassed by his hero’s failings, and needs to try to defend the indefensible at every turn, however silly it looks. Attacking any criticism, fair, constructive, or otherwise, seems to be number one in the Defend Boris Playbook.

Textbook.
 






Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
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Jul 11, 2003
60,320
The Fatherland
Cop out.

At business meetings I always accept criticisms and questions with open arms, but they are so much more powerful when backed up with alternatives.

The clue is in the name....Prime Ministers Questions. If you want to change it to Prime Ministers Questions and help with the Answers that’s fine...but it’s a slightly different discussion.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
70,878
He's doing his job as leader of the opposition. It's exactly what he's supposed to do. Plus he's doing it in a respectful and intelligent manner.

This, completely. Starmer would be failing in his duty if he didn't hold hmgov to account. Plus he's only asking for straightforward answers to straightforward questions. Which is enough to reduce Boris to a bluffing blustering wreck. Shocking to watch all his flaws laid bare in plain sight
 




LlcoolJ

Mama said knock you out.
Oct 14, 2009
12,982
Sheffield
Cop out.

At business meetings I always accept criticisms and questions with open arms, but they are so much more powerful when backed up with alternatives.

It's not a business meeting. It's "Prime Minister's Questions".

So it means that the opposition ask questions and the Prime Minister answers them.

Have you got it now?
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,986
The Real Agenda...…... daily mail.png
 


Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
24,041
Sussex by the Sea
It's not a business meeting. It's "Prime Minister's Questions".

So it means that the opposition ask questions and the Prime Minister answers them.

Have you got it now?

Was having a simple Q&A, no need to be patronising.
 
















WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
26,331
At a time when the country should unite against this virus, and after Labour asked to be part of the meetings to combat it, this seems a little awkward.

The twice Starmer has questioned the Govt, without saying how he would have handled it any differently, does not seem a constructive way forward for the country.

Unless pointing at each other over the dispatch box like schoolkids is beneficial of course.

As I said before, it's like shooting fish in a barrel for Starmer right now. Let's hear some constructive suggestions and plans rather than criticism. If he's to make a decent PM, then time to show his skills.

Now, honest answer.

Have you ever posted as an NSC account from down under, on a thread about an American president :wink:
 


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