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Players we should not have let go.



AmsterdamAlbion

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Jul 26, 2004
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Amsterdam
FDM was an outstanding shot stopper (possibly the best we have had in the last 20 years or so) who stayed as rooted to his line as he could (thus avoiding any risk of being criticised for punching/flapping/catching/dropping etc) blamed everyone but himself when he did let a goal in (contributing to reducing the confidence and effectiveness of his defenders) and was truly awful (and stultifyingly slow) at distributing the ball. All of these faults are shared to a lesser or greater degree by all other keepers at this level and have been discussed at great length on this board for as long as I have been on here. To suggest that no-one ever said he was "dodgy" is pushing the old rose coloured glasses a touch too firmly onto your nose I think :lolol:

All good things come to an end and FDM's time had come. I think the decision was finally made on the basis of his injury record which hasn't been good over the years. Gus wasn't the first manager to look elsewhere for another keeper although the fact that only Roberts probably was better than FDM in all aspects of the game says a lot about how consistent he was.

Is Brezovan better? Yes in terms of commanding his box and supporting his defence. Much better distribution generally but not IMO as good a shot stopper.

Ankergren? Good shot stopper. Good distribution. Questionable decision making.

Poke was a mistake - quite why his form dipped compared to his displays at Torquay is hard to judge but you can't say that Gus didn't react to the problem quickly. No manager gets every decision right and Poke will surely go out on loan until his one year contract ends.

Virgs was a good club man and whilst I liked him enormously and would never doubt his committment, his judgement wasn't always the best and his thought process was sometimes quicker than his ability to react physically resulting in free kicks and sendings-off. Choose between him and el Abd as very similar players with similar traits both good and bad. Gus went for el Abd, possibly because he is just a little quicker and is better at full back if needed than Virgs. I think we can afford one player of the type but not two in the side so fair enough to let him go.

Cox is another that Gus released who rightly has lots of supporters as a local lad with talent. Most recognise I think that he needs careful man management and even that might not be enough. However, whilst respected for much of what he does and the way he does it, I am not sure that tolerence is one of Gus' traits.

Good post, I like the way you often describe football maters.
 




drew

Drew
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Oct 3, 2006
24,418
Burgess Hill
FDM was an outstanding shot stopper (possibly the best we have had in the last 20 years or so) who stayed as rooted to his line as he could (thus avoiding any risk of being criticised for punching/flapping/catching/dropping etc) blamed everyone but himself when he did let a goal in (contributing to reducing the confidence and effectiveness of his defenders) and was truly awful (and stultifyingly slow) at distributing the ball. All of these faults are shared to a lesser or greater degree by all other keepers at this level and have been discussed at great length on this board for as long as I have been on here. To suggest that no-one ever said he was "dodgy" is pushing the old rose coloured glasses a touch too firmly onto your nose I think :lolol:

All good things come to an end and FDM's time had come. I think the decision was finally made on the basis of his injury record which hasn't been good over the years. Gus wasn't the first manager to look elsewhere for another keeper although the fact that only Roberts probably was better than FDM in all aspects of the game says a lot about how consistent he was.

Is Brezovan better? Yes in terms of commanding his box and supporting his defence. Much better distribution generally but not IMO as good a shot stopper.

Ankergren? Good shot stopper. Good distribution. Questionable decision making.

Poke was a mistake - quite why his form dipped compared to his displays at Torquay is hard to judge but you can't say that Gus didn't react to the problem quickly. No manager gets every decision right and Poke will surely go out on loan until his one year contract ends.

Virgs was a good club man and whilst I liked him enormously and would never doubt his committment, his judgement wasn't always the best and his thought process was sometimes quicker than his ability to react physically resulting in free kicks and sendings-off. Choose between him and el Abd as very similar players with similar traits both good and bad. Gus went for el Abd, possibly because he is just a little quicker and is better at full back if needed than Virgs. I think we can afford one player of the type but not two in the side so fair enough to let him go.

Cox is another that Gus released who rightly has lots of supporters as a local lad with talent. Most recognise I think that he needs careful man management and even that might not be enough. However, whilst respected for much of what he does and the way he does it, I am not sure that tolerence is one of Gus' traits.

I was a fan of FDM but in the last 20 years that would include Beeney who was a far better keeper!

I was also a fan of Cox but would I rather see him on the left side of our midfield or Lua Lua, it's a no brainer. And from what I have seen of Jamie Smith, he may well go on to be a better player than Cox so I think we are in a far better position now.

(mind you, Cox is banging in some great goals at the moment!)
 


severnside gull

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May 16, 2007
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By the seaside in West Somerset
I was a fan of FDM but in the last 20 years that would include Beeney who was a far better keeper!

great call - absolute quality and he was even a hero for keeping us afloat financially by going. Never really got the chance he deserved at Leeds as back up to Nigel Martyn. Does anyone know if he is still at Chelsea coaching?
 




Taybha

Whalewhine
Oct 8, 2008
28,159
Uwantsumorwat
never could and still cant get in in round my head why we dumped Sullivan , bloody decent keeper that lad
 








drew

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Oct 3, 2006
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I think this thread should be about players we let go when we didn't need to. Saunders was sold because we had no choice and the sale of Beeney saved the club.
 








bhaexpress

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Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
Andy Crosby
Paul McCarthy
Alex Revell
Dean Saunders

Andy Crosby, with the benefit of hindsight yes but at the time Matt Wicks and Danny Cullip were in front of him so he was let go.
Paul McCarthy, he didn't want to stay, wanted to play in a higher league and get more money, can't blame him for that.
Alex Revell, what ? Just because he's scored a handful of goals remember we made a nice profit out of him and when he went Murray came in, there's no comparison there.
Dean Saunders, we had no choice, Barclays Bank made that decision for us.
 






clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
26,503
I was a fan of FDM but in the last 20 years that would include Beeney who was a far better keeper!

I was also a fan of Cox but would I rather see him on the left side of our midfield or Lua Lua, it's a no brainer. And from what I have seen of Jamie Smith, he may well go on to be a better player than Cox so I think we are in a far better position now.

(mind you, Cox is banging in some great goals at the moment!)

I agree, but you can't really compare Cox with Lua Lua since (quite obviously) he isn't our player...
 


ken tiler

Active member
Nov 24, 2007
349
Brighton
ian wright, danny wilson, jimmy case, peter o sullinvan, brian horton, ian mellor, ken tiler, dean saunders, that forward i cant remember the name of who went on to score stacks of goals for tranmere, gary nelson, to name only a few.
 








Durlston

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Jul 15, 2009
10,220
ian wright, danny wilson, jimmy case, peter o sullinvan, brian horton, ian mellor, ken tiler, dean saunders, that forward i cant remember the name of who went on to score stacks of goals for tranmere, gary nelson, to name only a few.

Ian Muir.
 






algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
Kuipers ... yes I know I'm repeating myself, but from the comments about today's game many of you agree that Casper's a bit dodgy ... and Poke is even more so ... can't recall anyone saying that about FDM. So why get rid of a not-dodgy keeper and sign two dodgy ones? Makes no sense whatsoever.

Virgo ... we have very little cover in defence ... the fact that our assistant manager was on the bench is proof of that ... if ElAbd's injury today was worse, then who else do we have as cover? So why get rid of such a versatile defender/midfielder/striker. Not the best in the last two positions I'll agree, but he does provide that much needed flexibility.

Poor decisions by Gus in my opinion.

No your opinions are just poor.Both players were on high wages like Forster you keep banging on about.How else could we have afford to bring in the players that we have? You have to release players you know.
Virgo was a liability and Kuipers coming to the end of his career.This was proved by him joining a non league club.
If this was poor decision as you say then why have we only lost one game in the league?
Undefeated at home?
I can safely say you don't know much.As with the Withdean curse i don't reckon there was an issue.We simply didn't have good enough players.
At least find something to moan if we are playing badly and losing.
 


Lady Whistledown

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Jul 7, 2003
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You have to release players you know.
Virgo was a liability and Kuipers coming to the end of his career.This was proved by him joining a non league club.
If this was poor decision as you say then why have we only lost one game in the league?
Undefeated at home?

Blimey: I agree with you :ohmy:
 


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