Player Ratings vs Exeter

[Shropshire Seagull]

I could only half listen to yesterdays game so cant give ratings.

I may have misunderstood this [apols if I have] but are you suggesting you give ratings based only on audio alone.

People of NSC - is this allowed?

 

[Horney]

For years, the standard Extel rating system for reporters has been used in the media. Unless it has been changed, it is....

4......Poor
5......Below Average
6......Average
7......Good
8......Very Good
9......Excellent
10....Out of this World

I have noticed recently that some reporters have been giving 3's, which is clearly a new rating and I assume stands for abysmal.
There seems to be a mis-conception that as 5 is a middle mark, it should represent average but historically 6 has been the norm in the media for average.
This formula was always the one used in newspapers and magazines for player ratings so there would be no confusion amongst the readership.
Years ago, I used to do player ratings for a well known football publication. Against each player, I had 2 columns, for positive and negative contributions and a tick would go in accordingly. Bookings, Dismissals and of course Goals would all be noted and at the end of the game, I would have a pretty good picture of each player's performance.
I very rarely gave a 4 or indeed a 9 and was flabbergasted to see an individual awarded a 10 for scoring 2 goals for Aldershot in a bottom division game.
Most players in most games should be hovering around 6's and 7's

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

What score for Clarke Carlisle yesterday?
Gave aways 2 pens and poor marking - is this a 1 or a zero?

Maybe even -1 to swing the statistics.

 

[Acker79]

I may have misunderstood this [apols if I have] but are you suggesting you give ratings based only on audio alone.

People of NSC - is this allowed?

Well, it depends. If it is supportive of the team* it is perfectly acceptable, and included in the general consensus. If it is negative* it is completely unacceptable and anyone who wasn't at the game doesn't have a right to an opinion.


*Roles may reverse depending on the situation. For example, trying to look on the positive side of an awful performance can result in having your opinion dismissed if you weren't at the game. It may also depend on simply someone feeling they are being challenged by everyone lashing out at those that didn't go who disagree with them.



Personally, I think as long as you make it clear what you base your opinions on, it is acceptable. Even those at the game don't tend to agree, so it's not like being there makes your opinion any more "correct".

As far as Sully is concerned, he is one of the posters on here who is living abroad, so can't get to the game, and those abroad should get some special dispensation.

 

[FLOG GNAW]

Funnily enough, I too graced Block G today and I was less impressed by some of the folk in there. The woman in front of me was pleading with anyone who would listen for Gary Hart to NOT be thrown on (quite WHY, is beyond me) and the chaps behind me were wondering why Tunnicliffe wasn't around. One of them thought he was out on loan, but the other shot the theory down. Injury, probably. Apparently. Noone wanted to put them right, I think everyone was in agreement they were just making prats of themselves. Jake Wright, our natural right back, IS out on loan, they agreed with that. Hawkins, however, is just not in favour. Nothing to do with his achilles injury at all. Oh, and just who IS that at left back?

T'was a lot of people in G block today who hadn't been to games since Leeds or Charlton. When said people are with thier mates they like to think they know everything to do with our brilliant club. They are kinda right about Hawkins even if he wasn't injured he still wouldn't be playing.

 

[Reinelt12]

Now that I do find interesting .....

all those calling for Cox to be in the squad - look away now.
when Brez gets to meet inclusion criteria, will his ave be better than FDM's?

Ratings for those that havent had 15 games yet:

Lua Lua - 4 games - 7.05
Calderon - 10 games - 6.68
Painter - 9 games - 6.42
Holroyd - 5 games - 6.37
A Davies - 7 games - 6.22
Brezovan - 8 games - 6.22
McNulty - 9 games - 5.96
C Davies - 2 games - 5.68
Hart - 5 games - 5.68
M Wright - 4 games - 5.58
Whing - 11 games - 5.29
G Smith - 9 games - 5.19
J Wright - 7 games - 5.18
G Hoyte - 13 games - 5.15
Carole - 3 games - 5.10
Thornhill - 5 games - 5.06
McLeod - 5 games - 4.89
J Smith - 1 game - 4.67

 

[SittingbourneSeagull]

Up until the cheap shot at the end of that first paragraph, I was pretty much in agreement with what you were saying. Well, more seeing your point of view than agreeing, because I still think you're being very harsh. I've no doubts the performances against Charlton and Leeds were better than today, but I can only rate the gents' on their performances today and I was mightily impressed with the performance as a team.

I think that second paragraph shows a vast lack of understanding of football. Yes, they didn't get to attack us much but why was that? Was it because every long ball forward was dealt with by Elphick? They lumped it forward more often than you seem to be recalling, and our defence very comfortably dealt with the "threat" with style and class. How many times did their number 7 (Harley) run at Painter with no joy, in the first half especially? He couldn't get past because Painter stopped him time after time after time, hence my rating of him. El-Abd was pretty much redundant, as seemed to be the game plan to deal with Haber, have Elphick crawl all over him. Which he did, perfectly. Haber being withdrawn pretty much confirmed that he'd been dominated by Elphick from start, to his premature finish. I don't need to explain my rating for Calderon, you like a bit of flair, afterall.

For the record, Mr Badger, unlike alot of folk on here I actually think you add something to this forum with your opinions and your passion for the team. I just think you channel it in a more negative way than is neccessary.



With regards to Elphick, I think the fact he looked to play it short and simple into Navarro is testament to him maturing as a player and being more well rounded, and also a testament to Poyet's tactics. Having Navarro in the space just in front of Elphick gives him the easy outball. We all know he's not the best on the ball, technically speaking, but playing this system gives him more options for the short simple pass, which he looked to play more often than not. At other times he swept the ball out to Bennett on the right, and LuaLua on the left, brilliantly. Though, that was more first half than second.

Funnily enough, I too graced Block G today and I was less impressed by some of the folk in there. The woman in front of me was pleading with anyone who would listen for Gary Hart to NOT be thrown on (quite WHY, is beyond me) and the chaps behind me were wondering why Tunnicliffe wasn't around. One of them thought he was out on loan, but the other shot the theory down. Injury, probably. Apparently. Noone wanted to put them right, I think everyone was in agreement they were just making prats of themselves. Jake Wright, our natural right back, IS out on loan, they agreed with that. Hawkins, however, is just not in favour. Nothing to do with his achilles injury at all. Oh, and just who IS that at left back?

Completely agree with your comments regarding Elphick, and one of the major improvements in the team and this system is that there is always somebody available to pass to. It makes playing the game so much easier when you have an option other then to lump it forward. In fact today I was really impressed with how patient we were, even to the point of passing back to the keeper rather then just lumping it. It helps that Brezovan is quite comfortable with the ball played back to him.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

T'was a lot of people in G block today who hadn't been to games since Leeds or Charlton. When said people are with thier mates they like to think they know everything to do with our brilliant club. They are kinda right about Hawkins even if he wasn't injured he still wouldn't be playing.

I certainly got that impression. Personally, when I go and see teams I know very little about, I don't start talking about individual players like I know exactly what is going on when it would be patently obvious that I had no idea what I was talking about... If only the chaps behind me had the same beliefs.
But yeah, I'm not going to dispute that Hawkins would still be the anonymous man if he was the fittest player in the world!

Completely agree with your comments regarding Elphick, and one of the major improvements in the team and this system is that there is always somebody available to pass to. It makes playing the game so much easier when you have an option other then to lump it forward. In fact today I was really impressed with how patient we were, even to the point of passing back to the keeper rather then just lumping it. It helps that Brezovan is quite comfortable with the ball played back to him.

People talk about 4-5-1 as being a negative system but it depends on your personnel and I think we have the players to make the 4-5-1 system our strongest way of playing. It gets the best out of so many of our players, surely there should be no question we should be playing this way. Funnily enough, I see Dickinson as exactly the type of striker who would flourish in a 4-5-1 system. But it seems Poyet isn't too fond of him, which is a shame in a way.

I disagree about Brezovan though, he is very uncomfortable with the ball going to back him. If he's got the time to take a touch and set himself then he is ok, but one of things that he's always struggled with is his kicking.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

G blockers know jack shit because they don't go very often - OK, but better to have them coming to games than going shopping. A sign that things are on the up.

Completely agree that Elphick has improved - I'm a fan and like having himn at CB. But, I was replying to a post that scored him very highly - and I was pointing out that sometimes he still reverts to the aimless lump up field. Not always, and far less often - but there was the odd occasion yesterday and they stood out because the rest of the time he was good and as you say, 4-5-1 works really well for him.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

I may have misunderstood this [apols if I have] but are you suggesting you give ratings based only on audio alone.

People of NSC - is this allowed?

Mostly in my head but if its not allowed then some poeple need to get a life..... a fan is someone who gives everything he or she can to support his or her club.. sometimes distance makes that impossible... but they are still entitled to an opinion. If people don't like it they should put up with it and shut up as every fan is worthy of respect.