Planning permission for Liverpool

[Lammy]

Why would Sheffield Wed and United want to ground share? They both have big and fairly modern stadia.

The only place I would always argue for ground sharing is Scotland, with the exception of the old Firm (which I think should be cast adrift from the league).

I really can't see either Everton or Liverpool going bust because they have their own grounds...

 

[Lammy]

Simply because the secenario that you are talking about is not the same as two teams from the SAME CITY sharing.

As you said earlier. Whatever...

 

[Uncle Buck]

Why would Sheffield Wed and United want to ground share? They both have big and fairly modern stadia.

The only place I would always argue for ground sharing is Scotland, with the exception of the old Firm (which I think should be cast adrift from the league).

I really can't see either Everton or Liverpool going bust because they have their own grounds...

On your Sheffield Argument, why do Liverpool and Everton want new grounds, they both have large renovated stadiums.

 

[Lammy]

On your Sheffield Argument, why do Liverpool and Everton want new grounds, they both have large renovated stadiums.

Liverpool want a new ground as they need to expand. Everton need a new ground and goodison is falling apart!

 

[Uncle Buck]

Liverpool want a new ground as they need to expand. Everton need a new ground and goodison is falling apart!

But then 10 years down the line, both Sheffield teams could be in top flight and one in Europe (it happened not that long ago), they could need new grounds to expand and Hillsborough is fairly dated now.

 

[Lammy]

But then 10 years down the line, both Sheffield teams could be in top flight and one in Europe (it happened not that long ago), they could need new grounds to expand and Hillsborough is fairly dated now.

Hillsborough is STILL one of the best stadiums in the country and far from dated. I'm so sure about United ground (never been there) but have they totally exhausted the current site for expansion?

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Liverpool want anew ground for the same reason that Man U keep expanding, bums on seats are still an important revenue stream. Anfield can't be expanded to their desired capacity so a new site is needed. It's the reason the arse are moving.
The problem is new grounds cost money so the increased ticket revenue is offset by having to service greater debt.

 

[Lammy]

Liverpool want anew ground for the same reason that Man U keep expanding, bums on seats are still an important revenue stream. Anfield can't be expanded to their desired capacity so a new site is needed. It's the reason the arse are moving.
The problem is new grounds cost money so the increased ticket revenue is offset by having to service greater debt.

There is that, but modern stadia are able to generate far more money. They are more corporate freindly, encorporating hotels and conferncing etc.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Hillsborough is STILL one of the best stadiums in the country and far from dated. I'm so sure about United ground (never been there) but have they totally exhausted the current site for expansion?

Slightly off topic, but your argument about Hillsborough being one of the best grounds around will change if you do the better stadiums this season. It is good for atmosphere, but compared with Sunderland, Derby, Stoke, Leicester etc, the facilities are bloody awful.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

There is that, but modern stadia are able to generate far more money. They are more corporate freindly, encorporating hotels and conferncing etc.

Yeah but the danger is the hotels etc which were suppossed to pay for the ground are in reality expensive white elephants which are bankrupting the club so you have to flog it iff to some Russian crook.

 

[Lammy]

I've been to Reading and the millenium stadium. What facilities are you after? Personally I'm just after a pie and a piss at half time. Hillborough provided me with this. Also a very good view of the pitch and a good atmosphere. I'd love to go there with 40,000 in the place!

 

[Lord Bracknell]

and I bet they will be able to pay on the gate!

Eh?

You try turning up on the day to buy tickets for Liverpool -v- Manchester City on 21 August.

All Liverpool home games are "buy in advance" and a membership scheme is in place. Only very occasionally can people just turn up at the ticket office and pay over the counter. And then it is usually about ten days in advance.


· Tickets for the fixtures against Manchester United and Everton are sold on a voucher basis and details of the sale requirements will be announced in advance of the on sale dates.

· A limited number of tickets for league games are available for online purchase to e-Season Ticket holders only. Sales take place on a date specified for each match - at 9:15am and are only available for a 24 hour period until 9:15am the following day. These tickets sell very quickly and e-Season Ticket holders are encouraged to book early to avoid disappointment. e-Season Ticket holders may apply for a maximum of two adult tickets and any duplicate transactions will be cancelled at the point of despatch without notice. In order to purchase tickets you will need your Fancard Number and password. After subscribing to e-Season Ticket your Fancard number and password will be confirmed by email no later than 24 hours before the next on sale date for e-Season match tickets.

 

[Uncle Buck]

I've been to Reading and the millenium stadium. What facilities are you after? Personally I'm just after a pie and a piss at half time. Hillborough provided me with this. Also a very good view of the pitch and a good atmosphere. I'd love to go there with 40,000 in the place!

The fact is a lot of the grounds that were redeveloped post the Taylor Report now look dated compared with the new grounds. Compare how you get into Hillsborough to the access at the new grounds and where the refreshments are and so on.

 

[London Calling]

As I said earlier football is big business now.

1. Old football stadia are normally in Inner City areas, these areas normally have a very high land value. High land values demand Office space, Housing or Retail. Mr Accountant at Northern United knows this. Most of the new stadium built inthe last 10 years could have survived. But the return from the sale of the ground for the above uses facilitates a new ground.

2. The Bristol, Sheffields and Liverpool and Everton know this.

3. Its basically who and what is a club and ground for. The scoucers may not like or want a merger. Which will probab;y never happen. But they bleat about their clubs not providing top flight (Euro) footy. Are the supporters putting real cash in? No, just paying at a gate. Just like any other form of entertainment. As I said earlier, they may not like it but how many would really stop going to see Liverpool or Everton in the New shared Scouse Arena?

LC

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the big grounds in Italy publically owned and built for the World Cup.

Lazio and Roma play at the Stadio Olimpico, built for the 1960 Olympics.

Inter and Milan play at the San Siro, built in 1926.

Torino and Juventus share the Stadio delle Alpi, built in 1990 - for the World Cup - to replace the former (shared) Stadio Comunale that dated from 1933.

Chievo and Verona share the Stadio Marc Antonio Bentegodi, built in 1963.

Sampdoria and Genoa play at the Stadio Luigi Ferraris (1933). Before that, they shared the Stadio Marassi (built in 1911).

In fact there's not a single city in Italy with two major football stadiums.

 

[Lammy]

The fact is a lot of the grounds that were redeveloped post the Taylor Report now look dated compared with the new grounds. Compare how you get into Hillsborough to the access at the new grounds and where the refreshments are and so on.

Hillsborough is easier than Reading to get to and from. Just get on the Tram to the door! The Millenium Stadium works with park and rides, which take ages to in and out of.

I agree that most stadium that have been redeveloped are dated. Goodison is a very good example. There is nothing wrong Hillsborough though IMHO, if not been to United so I cannot comment.

 

[Lammy]

Eh?

You try turning up on the day to buy tickets for Liverpool -v- Manchester City on 21 August.

All Liverpool home games are "buy in advance" and a membership scheme is in place. Only very occasionally can people just turn up at the ticket office and pay over the counter. And then it is usually about ten days in advance.


· Tickets for the fixtures against Manchester United and Everton are sold on a voucher basis and details of the sale requirements will be announced in advance of the on sale dates.

· A limited number of tickets for league games are available for online purchase to e-Season Ticket holders only. Sales take place on a date specified for each match - at 9:15am and are only available for a 24 hour period until 9:15am the following day. These tickets sell very quickly and e-Season Ticket holders are encouraged to book early to avoid disappointment. e-Season Ticket holders may apply for a maximum of two adult tickets and any duplicate transactions will be cancelled at the point of despatch without notice. In order to purchase tickets you will need your Fancard Number and password. After subscribing to e-Season Ticket your Fancard number and password will be confirmed by email no later than 24 hours before the next on sale date for e-Season match tickets.

FFS Bracknell! Is there ANYTHING you don't know?