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Pietersen at it again.
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The Spanish
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in fairness describing someone as a dairylea thinking he is a brie is quite funny. but then its not KP who has written that.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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Good piece in The Times today by Michael Atherton, he points out lots of contradictions in the book between KP's interviews over the last few years and the new versions of his opinions at that time. Apparently he ( KP ) still thinks he could play for England again as stranger things have happened. This is possibly even more delusional than normal, in reality, he will never be allowed in another England dressing room. In fact, I can't see him picking up a bat in domestic cricket in any form.
spring hall convert
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So Tremlett, Shahzad and Trott have indicated that there's something in this bullying accusation then.
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
With KP the remnants of his career are a book then commentating so no real surprise he is stirring things up for book sales.
Reminds me of someone else and a certain share offer................................
The great shame of this is that he was a brilliant batsman in his time and such a shame to end a career on a sour note.
Reminds me of someone else and a certain share offer................................
The great shame of this is that he was a brilliant batsman in his time and such a shame to end a career on a sour note.
Man of Harveys
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I'm genuinely surprised that people would pay money in order to read this unintelligent little dullard's long-winded attempt at self-justification. He clearly has a toxically foul personality to the point where that's his main defining characteristic. He's basically cricket's Katie Hopkins.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
There is no doubt in my mind that some of what KP is saying is definitely true. This side went from no.1 in the world to an utter shambles in under 12months and hasn't properly recovered a year after that. Something went rotten at the core of that team and squad that is taking time to heal. Anyone watching the games could see the culture Jimmy, Broad and Swan bought to the field with some real unpalatable berating of team mates at times, especially Swan.
New players have come in an looked isolated - especially the opening bat. Perhaps this is the pressure, but it rings true that this hasn't been the most welcoming side to walk into. Perhaps that is changing under Moores, and the blossoming of Root and Ballance are testament to that, but again new bowlers have come in and really struggled and been quickly rotated.
Much of it is KP's deluded mind of course, but between the lines there is some revealing truths.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Accept that in spite of himself, KP is a world class talent….
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
I confess to agonising over the tense there. I had was, then is, then was/is. He's only 34, as a batsmen he's still at his peak really. Perhaps he still is world class, we just don't know. Crap for Surrey mind you...
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
Big Cheeses tend to get a bit smelly if left out in the sun too long.
Albion 4ever
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hart's shirt
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From the Guardian article:
"Imagine spending a long evening in the pub listening to the single most miserable of your friends bitch about their colleagues and you have an idea of what it’s like to read it in a single sitting."
I'll probably give it a miss then.
"Imagine spending a long evening in the pub listening to the single most miserable of your friends bitch about their colleagues and you have an idea of what it’s like to read it in a single sitting."
I'll probably give it a miss then.
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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Michael Vaughan has consistently said KP was no trouble at all. He understands it's the captain's job to get the best from his players.
Many top sportsman have big egos. KP's is no bigger than Stuart Broad's or Graeme Swann's or Matt Prior's.
All of these players have put in incredible performances for England over the last few years.
Undoubtedly KP was consistently England's top batsman. An arrogant twunt as well, but so what, his batting power and skill warrants a certain level of arrogance.
It is ridiculous that he should have been isolated and kicked out of the team for "cricketing reasons". He was England's top scorer in that disastrous last series.
Personally I think it's a travesty that he will not play for England again.
Many top sportsman have big egos. KP's is no bigger than Stuart Broad's or Graeme Swann's or Matt Prior's.
All of these players have put in incredible performances for England over the last few years.
Undoubtedly KP was consistently England's top batsman. An arrogant twunt as well, but so what, his batting power and skill warrants a certain level of arrogance.
It is ridiculous that he should have been isolated and kicked out of the team for "cricketing reasons". He was England's top scorer in that disastrous last series.
Personally I think it's a travesty that he will not play for England again.
KZNSeagull
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The ECB have hit back with a leaked dossier...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/787889.html
Revealed: the case against Pietersen
ESPNcricinfo is in possession of a legal document that provides a clear insight into the ECB state of mind as it contends with the fallout from the end of Kevin Pietersen's England career.
The existence of one or more Pietersen documents has been a subject of contention since Pietersen walked off the field in Sydney last January for the last time in an England shirt. This one covers the Ashes series and illustrates how he has been cast as a serial offender whose alleged behaviour undermined the authority of the coach and captain.
Pietersen himself refers in his autobiography to being alerted within days of the end of the Ashes series to the existence of what he prefers to dismiss as an "imaginary dossier".
This is not quite the dirty dossier the cricket world hankers after. It was, however, drawn up to assist the ECB legal team. It outlines the breakdown in relationships between Pietersen and the England team director, Andy Flower, which is forthrightly described in the autobiography.
The ECB stated: "It is simply part of a privileged legal document, produced by the ECB's lawyers compiling information as part of the ECB's internal due diligence ahead of the release of the Kevin Pietersen book."
It is recorded that Pietersen "ranted" at Flower after the Melbourne Test - a conversation he has recorded in some detail in his autobiography. But Pietersen has been less forthcoming about the document's allegation that he described Alastair Cook's captaincy as "weak" and "tactically inept". In that same heated meeting, Graeme Swann, who has dismissed Pietersen's autobiography as "a work of fiction", is allegedly described as "a c***".
The document then solemnly observes that Flower did not speak to Pietersen during the final Test in Sydney or, indeed, for the rest of the tour.
The five-page document, marked STRICTLY PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL, has reached ESPNcricinfo independently and seeks to assemble evidence of Pietersen's rebellious and agitated state of mind as England careered to a 5-0 defeat in the Test series. There are sound reasons to regard it as playing a genuine part in the negotiations.
Elements of this document are now being leaked into the public domain and are believed to be only part of a much larger analysis of Pietersen's allegedly recalcitrant behaviour during the final years of his England career which seems to counter his self-portrayal as a victimised player bullied by an England clique.
The charge sheet against Pietersen is unlikely to bring unity. Some will contend that the ECB had assembled convincing reasons to end an association with a player who had clearly become a liability, whereas others will regard it as essentially a petty victimisation of Pietersen which fails to disguise a sorry failure of man management.
As with the reaction to his autobiography, the dividing lines are likely to remain as deep as ever.
The document gives a flavour of the clash between Flower's severe managerial regime and Pietersen's more freewheeling approach to life when it considers an incident several days before the second Test in Adelaide.
"Upon arrival in Adelaide for the Second Test, AF [Andy Flower] gave express instructions to players not to stay out late and not to give the scandal-voracious press any ammunition, which KP immediately disobeyed by taking out two young players drinking with him until late (an incident which was front page news in the Adelaide press the following day)."
With England 2-0 down before the Perth Test, the dossier earnestly records that "an England team physiotherapist" told Flower that if England lost the Test his knee was "really going to be playing up". This is presumably taken to be the language of insubordination.
The report states: "Prior to the Perth Test, an England team physiotherapist approached AF to inform AF that KP had told him that KP was looking to do anything to go home after the Perth Test if England lost the match to go 3‐0 down. KP allegedly told the physio that if England lost the match, his knee was "going to be really playing up".
It was after the fourth Test, though, that the relationship between Flower and Pietersen finally foundered for good. The notes read:
"- KP stated that AC [Alastair Cook] was weak, tactically inept and that AC's latest effort to galvanise the team was "pathetic".
- KP ranted, saying GS [Graeme Swann] is a "c***", the team was "s***" and having a go at AF and his coaching.
- KP stated that, in order to build team spirit, AF needed to "let the players go out and get p*ssed, especially the younger players".
- AF told KP at the end of the meeting that he was amazed that after 7 years of working together and AF bending over backwards for KP, that KP would talk to AF like that and be so incredibly disloyal as to try to get rid of AF like that behind AF's back. KP then left AF's hotel room."
Further charges follow, not all of them immediately seeming of import: criticism of Michael Carberry's ability, a complimentary comment about Gary Ballance's South African accent and, a sin that has gained unusual publicity, and a habit which he explains in his book that he picked from his father, an unappealing tendency after being dismissed towards casually whistling.
Even Piers Morgan gets a mention. "It riled the team and management that KP allowed Piers Morgan to belittle AC [Alastair Cook] and the team on social media. When asked by some of his team mates to get Piers Morgan to stop tweeting about the team, KP laughed at the players and told them to get a thicker skin."
After the Ashes series the end came quickly.
"AF was asked for his view on whether KP should form part of England team re-building process. AF said that AC and the Vice-Captain would struggle to re-build the team with sufficient unity or strength with KP involved."
The report then refers to the severance of Pietersen's contract with the observation that "the team needs to move on in a different direction with an emphasis on a strong, team-orientated culture."
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/787889.html
Revealed: the case against Pietersen
ESPNcricinfo is in possession of a legal document that provides a clear insight into the ECB state of mind as it contends with the fallout from the end of Kevin Pietersen's England career.
The existence of one or more Pietersen documents has been a subject of contention since Pietersen walked off the field in Sydney last January for the last time in an England shirt. This one covers the Ashes series and illustrates how he has been cast as a serial offender whose alleged behaviour undermined the authority of the coach and captain.
Pietersen himself refers in his autobiography to being alerted within days of the end of the Ashes series to the existence of what he prefers to dismiss as an "imaginary dossier".
This is not quite the dirty dossier the cricket world hankers after. It was, however, drawn up to assist the ECB legal team. It outlines the breakdown in relationships between Pietersen and the England team director, Andy Flower, which is forthrightly described in the autobiography.
The ECB stated: "It is simply part of a privileged legal document, produced by the ECB's lawyers compiling information as part of the ECB's internal due diligence ahead of the release of the Kevin Pietersen book."
It is recorded that Pietersen "ranted" at Flower after the Melbourne Test - a conversation he has recorded in some detail in his autobiography. But Pietersen has been less forthcoming about the document's allegation that he described Alastair Cook's captaincy as "weak" and "tactically inept". In that same heated meeting, Graeme Swann, who has dismissed Pietersen's autobiography as "a work of fiction", is allegedly described as "a c***".
The document then solemnly observes that Flower did not speak to Pietersen during the final Test in Sydney or, indeed, for the rest of the tour.
The five-page document, marked STRICTLY PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL, has reached ESPNcricinfo independently and seeks to assemble evidence of Pietersen's rebellious and agitated state of mind as England careered to a 5-0 defeat in the Test series. There are sound reasons to regard it as playing a genuine part in the negotiations.
Elements of this document are now being leaked into the public domain and are believed to be only part of a much larger analysis of Pietersen's allegedly recalcitrant behaviour during the final years of his England career which seems to counter his self-portrayal as a victimised player bullied by an England clique.
The charge sheet against Pietersen is unlikely to bring unity. Some will contend that the ECB had assembled convincing reasons to end an association with a player who had clearly become a liability, whereas others will regard it as essentially a petty victimisation of Pietersen which fails to disguise a sorry failure of man management.
As with the reaction to his autobiography, the dividing lines are likely to remain as deep as ever.
The document gives a flavour of the clash between Flower's severe managerial regime and Pietersen's more freewheeling approach to life when it considers an incident several days before the second Test in Adelaide.
"Upon arrival in Adelaide for the Second Test, AF [Andy Flower] gave express instructions to players not to stay out late and not to give the scandal-voracious press any ammunition, which KP immediately disobeyed by taking out two young players drinking with him until late (an incident which was front page news in the Adelaide press the following day)."
With England 2-0 down before the Perth Test, the dossier earnestly records that "an England team physiotherapist" told Flower that if England lost the Test his knee was "really going to be playing up". This is presumably taken to be the language of insubordination.
The report states: "Prior to the Perth Test, an England team physiotherapist approached AF to inform AF that KP had told him that KP was looking to do anything to go home after the Perth Test if England lost the match to go 3‐0 down. KP allegedly told the physio that if England lost the match, his knee was "going to be really playing up".
It was after the fourth Test, though, that the relationship between Flower and Pietersen finally foundered for good. The notes read:
"- KP stated that AC [Alastair Cook] was weak, tactically inept and that AC's latest effort to galvanise the team was "pathetic".
- KP ranted, saying GS [Graeme Swann] is a "c***", the team was "s***" and having a go at AF and his coaching.
- KP stated that, in order to build team spirit, AF needed to "let the players go out and get p*ssed, especially the younger players".
- AF told KP at the end of the meeting that he was amazed that after 7 years of working together and AF bending over backwards for KP, that KP would talk to AF like that and be so incredibly disloyal as to try to get rid of AF like that behind AF's back. KP then left AF's hotel room."
Further charges follow, not all of them immediately seeming of import: criticism of Michael Carberry's ability, a complimentary comment about Gary Ballance's South African accent and, a sin that has gained unusual publicity, and a habit which he explains in his book that he picked from his father, an unappealing tendency after being dismissed towards casually whistling.
Even Piers Morgan gets a mention. "It riled the team and management that KP allowed Piers Morgan to belittle AC [Alastair Cook] and the team on social media. When asked by some of his team mates to get Piers Morgan to stop tweeting about the team, KP laughed at the players and told them to get a thicker skin."
After the Ashes series the end came quickly.
"AF was asked for his view on whether KP should form part of England team re-building process. AF said that AC and the Vice-Captain would struggle to re-build the team with sufficient unity or strength with KP involved."
The report then refers to the severance of Pietersen's contract with the observation that "the team needs to move on in a different direction with an emphasis on a strong, team-orientated culture."
Mo Gosfield
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- Aug 11, 2010
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Interesting quote. Perhaps in Prior's case a more apt description would have been a chicken thinking he was an eagle.
keaton
Big heart, hot blood and balls. Big balls
- Nov 18, 2004
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If he's 'toxically foul' that suggests every England coach and captain and the ECB have failed massively in letting him continue to play for England for 8 years
No it doesn't... because they are trying to put out the best possible cricket team... and he, with all his faults, was often clearly part of that.
They were fighting, what turned out to be a losing battle, to juggle a group of surprisingly fragile and difficult characters - and for a number of years that team were fantastically successful on the pitch.
keaton
Big heart, hot blood and balls. Big balls
- Nov 18, 2004
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Which suggests he wasn't 'toxically foul'? I don't think any team would survive having a 'toxically foul' player in in no matter how good they are. They could manage an egotistical fool who hated being disagreed with. Which is what KP is. And Flower
spring hall convert
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He's indirectly done sales of Prior's biography plenty of favours.