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[News] Pedestrian jailed for manslaughter



Perfidious Albion

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Just read this in the Highway Code, which favours the pedestrian. I could not see an actual right of way stated.. Frankly it is the system of shared pathways that is the problem

“Some cycle tracks shared with pedestrians will not be separated by such a feature. [ white line ]On such shared use routes, you [cyclist]should always take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary (see Rule H2).”
 






BrightonCottager

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Sep 30, 2013
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I slow down when cycling on a shared use path when approaching pedestrians and if they're walking in the same direction, either cough, say excuse me or ding my bell (which sometimes startles them more). On the Seafront and much to the annoyance of some other cyclists and bemusementof some pedestrians, I'll give way to pedestrians at the crossing points where the give way signs are painted. We are all pedestrians, most of us are drivers and some of us cyclists. Just put yourself in the shoes of the most vulnerable road / path user and have some respect FFS.
 


Iggle Piggle

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Sep 3, 2010
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I walk down a shared bike and pedestrian path with the dog most days and I wish everyone could be more considerate. I always put the dog on a lead appreciating it only takes the dog bolting for a squirrel across the patch of a cyclist for something to go badly wrong. Theres plenty of nearby space the dog can run off the lead. On the flip side, some dog walkers are oblivious to the cyclists (it's a short cut to Warwick uni). It's an accident waiting to happen.

Likewise, some cyclists think they are Lance Armstrong and plough along it like they have a record to break. There are also very considerate cyclists who let you know they are there and thank you for keeping the dog out the way.

Tragic Incidents like this - and the Facebook groups where everyone is a wanker about the other side - are the result of the I'm right culture and sod everyone else. I'm also amazed at the amount of people who don't understand - or don't want to understand - what this sign means.

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dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
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Just read this in the Highway Code, which favours the pedestrian. I could not see an actual right of way stated.. Frankly it is the system of shared pathways that is the problem

“Some cycle tracks shared with pedestrians will not be separated by such a feature. [ white line ]On such shared use routes, you [cyclist]should always take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary (see Rule H2).”
She wasn’t going fast at all (it was an elderly woman on a shopping bike, not a lycra-clad MAMIL racing to Cafe Nero), the old bint saw her coming and had plenty of time to allow a bit more room, but instead she essentially pushed her into the road.
 








Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Horrible incident where someone has lost their life.

For the benefit of further posts, it was a shared pathway as stated by the judge.

Do we know how they've reached that verdict? Were there signs showing that it was a shared path? Because generally you're not allowed to cycle on paths.
 




Deleted member 37369

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As a pedestrian, I stop when a cyclist is approaching because it is easier for me to stop and turn sideways than for a cyclist to brake. On Brighton Road, by the bus stop, a cycle path ends and becomes a shared pathway, and a lot narrower than the one shown in the video, so used to cyclists coming past.
Same here 👍
 


dazzer6666

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Horrible incident where someone has lost their life.



Do we know how they've reached that verdict? Were there signs showing that it was a shared path? Because generally you're not allowed to cycle on paths.
Not confirmed in the articles I’ve read but almost certainly would have been signposted as such given the verdict was explicit about it.

Edit - found this on the BBC website

Shared cycleway?​

The trial was told that police could not "categorically" state whether the pavement was a shared cycleway, but in his sentencing remarks Judge Sean Enright said it was.
Labour county councillor and disability campaigner Gerri Bird said: "The county council ought to have the information and it needs checking urgently."
A Cambridgeshire County Council spokesperson said: "We cannot categorically say it is a shared use path as we could not find any legal records to evidence this.
"We know it is used by cyclists and we are looking at this location to see if there is any work required to make things clearer.
"We'd urge all users to take care and be considerate to each other."
 


Horses Arse

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Not confirmed in the articles I’ve read but almost certainly would have been signposted as such given the verdict was explicit about it.
It shouldn't matter whether it was shared or not. It is manslaughter.

If I drive at and end up killing someone on an electric scooter because I've decided they should not be on the road then I deservedly get tried and convicted for manslaughter. I may not have intended to kill them, I may have wanted to show them that I'm in the right and they are in the wrong, however bizzare that sounds. But my reckless behaviour resulted in their death. Guilty.

This thread reminds me to an extent of the horrendous views on rape cases, "well she wore a short skirt..." Utterly despicable to defend.
 




dazzer6666

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It shouldn't matter whether it was shared or not. It is manslaughter.

If I drive at and end up killing someone on an electric scooter because I've decided they should not be on the road then I deservedly get tried and convicted for manslaughter. I may not have intended to kill them, I may have wanted to show them that I'm in the right and they are in the wrong, however bizzare that sounds. But my reckless behaviour resulted in their death. Guilty.

This thread reminds me to an extent of the horrendous views on rape cases, "well she wore a short skirt..." Utterly despicable to defend.
It shouldn't matter whether it was shared or not. It is manslaughter.

If I drive at and end up killing someone on an electric scooter because I've decided they should not be on the road then I deservedly get tried and convicted for manslaughter. I may not have intended to kill them, I may have wanted to show them that I'm in the right and they are in the wrong, however bizzare that sounds. But my reckless behaviour resulted in their death. Guilty.

This thread reminds me to an extent of the horrendous views on rape cases, "well she wore a short skirt..." Utterly despicable to defend.
Not really seen anyone defending it ?
 




Stat Brother

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So once again I'm at the brunt of weapons grade arrogance.

For me it's hard to fathom anyone being so arrogant they know what a complete stranger is going to say.
Not only that the arrogance is so hard wired they are prepared to tell the whole planet the words of a complete stranger.
But that still doesn't ice the cake, that comes when using the death of a poor pensioner, minding their own business, as a means to telling everyone else what a stranger will write.




Now that's said - the rest of you crying about shared path or not.
She was fookin 77 years old for crying out loud, where the hell is she supposed to go, outside lane of the M1?

If you're triggered by a little old lady going about her day, you shouldn't be allowed to leave the house, and thankfully one scumbag now can't.
 




Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Not confirmed in the articles I’ve read but almost certainly would have been signposted as such given the verdict was explicit about it.

Edit - found this on the BBC website

Shared cycleway?​

The trial was told that police could not "categorically" state whether the pavement was a shared cycleway, but in his sentencing remarks Judge Sean Enright said it was.
Labour county councillor and disability campaigner Gerri Bird said: "The county council ought to have the information and it needs checking urgently."
A Cambridgeshire County Council spokesperson said: "We cannot categorically say it is a shared use path as we could not find any legal records to evidence this.
"We know it is used by cyclists and we are looking at this location to see if there is any work required to make things clearer.
"We'd urge all users to take care and be considerate to each other."

The judge was explicit about it, but no one has been able to find a sign that says so. Mmm. It sounds as though it was not a shared pathway and that the cyclist shouldn't have been on the path. That of course in no way excuses what the pedestrian did, which lead to the death of the cyclist.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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It shouldn't matter whether it was shared or not. It is manslaughter.

If I drive at and end up killing someone on an electric scooter because I've decided they should not be on the road then I deservedly get tried and convicted for manslaughter. I may not have intended to kill them, I may have wanted to show them that I'm in the right and they are in the wrong, however bizzare that sounds.

What if you were driving your car down a path, and a pedestrian decided to scream at you and stand in your way, so you swerved to avoid them and hit a tree, and died in the accident?

For clarity, that is clearly not the same as what happened in this incident (cyclist dying), but then neither is you killing someone on an electric scooter with your car.
 




Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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I slow down when cycling on a shared use path when approaching pedestrians and if they're walking in the same direction, either cough, say excuse me or ding my bell (which sometimes startles them more). On the Seafront and much to the annoyance of some other cyclists and bemusementof some pedestrians, I'll give way to pedestrians at the crossing points where the give way signs are painted. We are all pedestrians, most of us are drivers and some of us cyclists. Just put yourself in the shoes of the most vulnerable road / path user and have some respect FFS.
On the seafront I do a similar thing. Even though the cycle lane gives us cyclists the right of way, I don't want to hurt people by hurtling through at max speed, or hurt myself! Common sense. Just, say, three incidents over the years where I was cycling slowly on the cycle lane, where miserable/aggressive older men (always them :lolol:) wanted to make something of it, shouting 4-lettered abuse. When I'd made every effort not to surprise pedestrians and it almost impossible to hurt anyone.
 




Deleted member 37369

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Now that's said - the rest of you crying about shared path or not.
She was fookin 77 years old for crying out loud, where the hell is she supposed to go, outside lane of the M1?

If you're triggered by a little old lady going about her day, you shouldn't be allowed to leave the house, and thankfully one scumbag now can't.

What @Stat Brother said 👍👍
 




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