Parole

[Lammy]

Did anyone else watch that program on parole boards last night?

Did you agree with their decisions?

I actually thought it was quite frightening!!

 

[Rusco]

Did anyone else watch that program on parole boards last night?

Did you agree with their decisions?

I actually thought it was quite frightening!!

Me and Mrs Rusco watched that. The one we thought should have got parole didn't and the scarey buggers got let out.

 

[bhaexpress]

I figured that the arsonist should have served his full sentence as he didn't have any remorse. The murderer should have never been let out and thank God he was deported. The guy that didn't get parole seemed to be more genuine. However its to be remembered that the Parole Board people are professionals and know a lot more about the subject that most of us do.

 

[Lammy]

Re: Re: Parole

Me and Mrs Rusco watched that. The one we thought should have got parole didn't and the scarey buggers got let out.

My feeling is thus;

1) Armed robber, never had a job in is life and a drug user.

KEEP IN!

2) Arsonist who refused to see the error of his ways. Has been diagnosed with Anti Social disorder.

KEEP IN!

3) Pakistani MENTALLIST murderer who hasn't even learned English in 19 years inside!!!

TRANSFER TO SECURE HOSPITAL before deportation!!


Their reasoning;

1) well he won't stay straight or two years so keep him in. fair point.

2) Well he only has 2 months left so no risk. WTF

3) Low risk. Clearly a NUTTER!

 

[Rusco]

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My feeling is thus;

1) Armed robber, never had a job in is life and a drug user.

KEEP IN!

He genuinely seemed to show remorse for his actions and indicated that he wanted to go straight, maybe I'm too nice in giveing him that chance, but I thought he should have been given parole.

The arsonist was a total fruitcake and shouldn't have been let out back in to society, especially as he had been diagnosed with that disorder

The Pakistani murder should never have been let out, either here or in Pakistan. You could tell by just looking at him that he wasn't right in the head

 

[Lammy]

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He genuinely seemed to show remorse for his actions and indicated that he wanted to go straight, maybe I'm too nice in giveing him that chance, but I thought he should have been given parole.

The arsonist was a total fruitcake and shouldn't have been let out back in to society, especially as he had been diagnosed with that disorder

The Pakistani murder should never have been let out, either here or in Pakistan. You could tell by just looking at him that he wasn't right in the head

Don't forget, that this guy has been inside for 12 years on various offenses since he was 18. He's now 40. Never had a job, drug user on the outside. He knows the system and knows what buttons to push. He even said that if a 14 year old next door kicked a ball over his fence and gave him some verbal he'd sort him out?!?!? As though this is normal behaviour!

 

[Rusco]

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Don't forget, that this guy has been inside for 12 years on various offenses since he was 18. He's now 40. Never had a job, drug user on the outside. He knows the system and knows what buttons to push. He even said that if a 14 year old next door kicked a ball over his fence and gave him some verbal he'd sort him out?!?!? As though this is normal behaviour!

Yes, but he would have been under a 2 year supervisory order and sometimes people do see the error of their ways and turn things round

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

I thought they were harsh on the armed robber. Looked like he had genuinely changed his ways. Especially harsh was that he was penalised for the fact that his girlfriend was going to employ him when he got out. Still, if he had stayed drug free he would have got out.

The arsonist I didn't think would be let out, but the question the parole board had to ask was "Is he going to commit another offence during the remainder of his sentence?" The answer to that was most probably no.

The murderer i was also suprised with, but it was clear at the time of the offence he was a nutter and the evidence suggested he wasn't a nutter any more so probably right that he got let out.

Good programme though

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

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Don't forget, that this guy has been inside for 12 years on various offenses since he was 18. He's now 40. Never had a job, drug user on the outside. He knows the system and knows what buttons to push. He even said that if a 14 year old next door kicked a ball over his fence and gave him some verbal he'd sort him out?!?!? As though this is normal behaviour!

He did though appear to be a changed man. He would have had no job and been an ex drug user whenever he was released. It was a fine decision, but him using cannabis probably cost him his freedom as the board though that this might lead him back to addiction to harder drugs which were the cause for his criminality.

 

[Lammy]

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He did though appear to be a changed man. He would have had no job and been an ex drug user whenever he was released. It was a fine decision, but him using cannabis probably cost him his freedom as the board though that this might lead him back to addiction to harder drugs which were the cause for his criminality.

Yep I agree, he did 'sound' like a changed man, out of the three he had the best case. I even found myself warming to him. BUT, I then realised that this is not the first time he's been in jail. He knows the system and knows what buttons to push in order to get released. I If you've been inside more than twice before should he even have been up for parole?

It's a tricky one though with him as he would need to be given trust in order to repay that trust. For me he has already been given chances to cahnge and has come a cropper each time.

 

[fatboy]

If prisoners have no hope of getting out earlier than expected then where is the incentive for them to behave inside?

 

[Lammy]

If prisoners have no hope of getting out earlier than expected then where is the incentive for them to behave inside?

Case 1) This was not his first offence. Nor was it even his second...

Case 2) Never acknowledged his wrong doing or showed any kind of remorse. Surely this should be the very BASIC requirement for parole.

Case 3) Clearly a mentalist. Had he not been deported, I doubt he would have been released. At least I bloody well hope not!

 

[Rusco]

Case 1) This was not his first offence. Nor was it even his second...

... but he genuinely was showing remorse and wanted to make a go of things on the outside. If he was going to be under a supervisory order, then why not give him that chance? One new offence and he could then be sent straight back in

 

[Bozza]

... but he genuinely was showing remorse and wanted to make a go of things on the outside. If he was going to be under a supervisory order, then why not give him that chance? One new offence and he could then be sent straight back in

Didn't see the programme in question but 5Live was covering a Panorama (I think) show that is on BBC1 tomorrow night (again, I think) about convicted paeodophiles who are released on supervisory orders.

Needless to say the supervision is, at times, non-existent and these released paeodophiles were found to be doing all manner of activites that were highly concerning.

Obviously 24/7 surveillance is not practical and if there is any doubt that the freedom available under these supervisory orders will be abused, then the person concerned has to stay behind bars, surely?

That said, mistakes will and do happen on both sides. A very complex area undoubtedly.

 

[Big G]

Parole is bollocks...Nobody should be released from prison early FACT.

Seems people are too quick to forget the victims of this persons crimes and what really fucks me off is when you hear of prisoners being released early for good behaviour.........good behaviour are you f***ing kidding...they are put in prison because they committed a crime. They stay untill they serve their whole sentence.

The whole thing is a farce!

 

[Lammy]

Parole is bollocks...Nobody should be released from prison early FACT.

Seems people are too quick to forget the victims of this persons crimes and what really fucks me off is when you hear of prisoners being released early for good behaviour.........good behaviour are you f***ing kidding...they are put in prison because they committed a crime. They stay untill they serve their whole sentence.

The whole thing is a farce!

I don't dissagree with the idea of parole. It's a good for a number of reasons;

1) It costs less money than keeping them locked up.

2) It a way of seeing if they are ready to be released, by keeping an eye on them.

3) It is a carrott for prisoners so that when they are locked up thay have something to aim for. THey need to better themselves, train for jobs, go on anger management/drug avoidance courses etc. in order to get parole. If parole were not there then they would just do their time. It's abit like the play-offs for mid table teams...

But for me there needs to be two answers before they are released;

1) Are they a danger to the public. By which I mean will they re-offend?

2) Have they learned from their mistakes, gained suitable qualifications to get a job and are ready to intergrate in society.

 

[cannedheat]

You do the crime, you do your time.
Anyway what was scary was the woman on the parole board, the one with the round specs