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Garry Nelson's Left Foot

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
13,835
tokyo
O.K, this is for all the grammar pedants...

Laughably, i am employed as an English teacher. My company is looking for new teachers(maybe to replace me:ohmy: ...). So the Japanese staff have devised a test to, er, test the literacy and grammatical nous of the candidates. My boss was moaning about the perceived lack of linguistic ability of those who had taken the test. So, she has given it to me to do. Now, having read it, there seems to be a bit of ambiguity in some of the possible answers, and indeed I think some of the 'correct' answers are infact wrong. Now, i'm prepared to admit i don't know a great deal about grammar(i'm a victim of thatcher's education system), so i was wondering if the grammar scholars of nsc could give their valued judgment(and the answers) to the following questions...

1)I couldn't sleep......................very tired.
a)although i was
b)in spite of being
Personally i'd say 'even though' or despite being' but...

2)I must go now. I promised.........
a)not to be late
b)I wouldn't be late
They're both o.k, right?

3)...............a hotel, we looked for somewhere to have dinner.
a)after finding
b)having found
Again, they both seem good to me.

4)..............a problem in most big cities.
a)crime
b)the crime is
c)the crimes are
It seems obvious to me that the answer is...crime IS a problem. But my company have deliberately left out 'is' and have marked as correct the person who chose b. WTF!!!
???

5)It ....... rain later.
a)may
b)might
c)could
Aren't all three options acceptable?

6)It's late. It's time...........home.
a)we should go
b)we went.
I say b, but they say a. I understand why they say a, but i've never said, nor ever heard anyone say 'it's time we should go'. Everyone i know says 'Its time we went.'

Your help and insight will be much appreciated.

GNLF.
 
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perth seagull

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
5,487
garry nelsons left foot said:
1)I couldn't sleep......................very tired.
a)although i was
b)in spite of being
Personally i'd say 'even though' or despite being' but...

I think that you're right, I don't think any of those are acceptable. They're both a contradiction in the sentence.

2)I must go now. I promised.........
a)not to be late
b)I wouldn't be late
They're both o.k, right?

They're both okay but the second answer to be gramatically correct should read "I promised THAT I wouldn't be late".
 


Everest

Me
Jul 5, 2003
20,741
Southwick
garry nelsons left foot said:
6)It's late. It's time...........home.
a)we should go
b)we went.
I say b, but they say a. I understand why they say a, but i've never said, nor ever heard anyone say 'it's time we should go'. Everyone i know says 'Its time we went.'
Just tell them that you were alone at the time it was getting late, so both options are wrong.
 


Schrödinger's Toad

Nie dla Idiotów
Jan 21, 2004
11,957
"5)It ....... rain later.
a)may
b)might
c)could
Aren't all three options acceptable?"


I would have thought so - they're just different modals.
 


Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
32,169
Uffern
1)I couldn't sleep......................very tired.
a)although i was
b)in spite of being
Personally i'd say 'even though' or despite being' but...


It's a, as the first part of the phrase is in the past. "I can't sleep in spite of etc... I agree with you though that 'even though' is what people would say.

2)I must go now. I promised.........
a)not to be late
b)I wouldn't be late
They're both o.k, right?


Yeah, I think those are both OK although I think b) is better.

3)...............a hotel, we looked for somewhere to have dinner.
a)after finding
b)having found
Again, they both seem good to me.


I think that this is b) because the action is in the past.

4)..............a problem in most big cities.
a)crime
b)the crime is
c)the crimes are
It seems obvious to me that the answer is...crime IS a problem. But my company have deliberately left out 'is' and have marked as correct the person who chose b. WTF!!!


Crazy. I agree with you; none of them is right.


5)It ....... rain later.
a)may
b)might
c)could
Aren't all three options acceptable?


No, this is a) the tense is wrong for b) and c)

6)It's late. It's time...........home.
a)we should go
b)we went.
I say b, but they say a. I understand why they say a, but i've never said, nor ever heard anyone say 'it's time we should go'. Everyone i know says 'Its time we went.'


Yeah, I think this is the case where grammar and real life fall down. Strictly speaking, it is a) as the tenses should agree but no-one would really say that.

They sound like the sort of people who would put an apostrophe in front of bus.
 




Garry Nelson's Left Foot

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
13,835
tokyo
Thanks everyone, much appreciated. :clap:

Gwylan: yeah, the staff are all japanese and they spend a lot of time banging on about grammar, which means they know a lot of little rules that 99% of the native english speaking world don't. However, they're speaking level is low so they don't sound native, even if they know a crapload of grammar.

And i have a more...

Jane.............a car.
a)suggested that I buy
b)suggested that I should buy.

Stupid language!
 




Spicy2

New member
Aug 12, 2004
924
London
Here's my attempt!

1)I couldn't sleep although I was very tired.

2)I must go now. I promised not to be late

3) After finding a hotel, we looked for somewhere to have dinner.

I agree it should be
4)Crime is a problem in most big cities.
unless you are referring to a specific crime.

5)It may rain later.

it can't be b. and must be
6)It's late. It's time we went home.
 






I had a similar problem when I lived in Italy.

Constantly being asked to explain the "rules" of English grammar to 15 year old Italian students, who couldn't quite get their heads around when it was correct to say "I will go to Florence" and when "I shall go to Florence" was to be preferred.

They all knew that the correct way to decline these expressions was:-

I will go to Florence
You shall go to Florence
He/she/it shall go to Florence
We will go to Florence
You shall go to Florence
They shall go to Florence

and

I shall go to Florence
You will go to Florence
He/she/it will go to Florence
We shall go to Florence
You will go to Florence
They will go to Florence

But they didn't understand why.

If they failed to learn the rules that apparently lie behind all this, they were marked down in their exams.

The truth is that learning a foreign language has become an exercise in learning an obscure code devised by pedants who have long ago stopped listening to real people speak.

I managed to get a Master's thesis in Linguistics past the examiners without unravelling any of this sort of crap (pardon my French).
 


dougdeep

New member
May 9, 2004
37,732
SUNNY SEAFORD
Lord Bracknell said:
I had a similar problem when I lived in Italy.

Constantly being asked to explain the "rules" of English grammar to 15 year old Italian students, who couldn't quite get their heads around when it was correct to say "I will go to Florence" and when "I shall go to Florence" was to be preferred.

They all knew that the correct way to decline these expressions was:-

I will go to Florence
You shall go to Florence
He/she/it shall go to Florence
We will go to Florence
You shall go to Florence
They shall go to Florence

and

I shall go to Florence
You will go to Florence
He/she/it will go to Florence
We shall go to Florence
You will go to Florence
They will go to Florence


Florence was busy, does Zebedee know this?
 


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