[Football] odds on the season being played out in full...??

[studio150]

Didn't Nostradamus predict that a major plague would swarm across Europe in 2020 and stop all games from fully finishing.

 

[Wellesley]

How many players from one squad would have to go down to cancel

Stop it! I know what you're thinking but it wouldn't be right.

 

[oldboyroy]

I've worked out who you were trying to quote. But this post, along with the user name, made me think that we'd been infiltrated by the Palace manager for a second. Mumbling and arguing with himself.

Lol didn't get it right did I

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Based on what?

There is nothing in any data, here or abroad, to suggest anything like this?

Slightly detailing thread and not the point of this but:

I’m getting sick of people saying there will be a second wave as if it’s a certainty.

The scaremongering has already done enough damage.

 

[Mellotron]

Slightly detailing thread and not the point of this but:

I’m getting sick of people saying there will be a second wave as if it’s a certainty.

The scaremongering has already done enough damage.

To be honest, I've almost completely avoided the COVID sub-forum over the past couple of months. Complete insanity presented as fact in many cases - not saying that's the case here, but a lot of very concerning comments left totally unchallenged sometimes.

Genuinely makes me feel a bit sad. Really hope everyone's doing ok.

 

[dazzer6666]

Not true.

Anyone who comes into the government defined close contact (within 2 metres) for more than 15 minutes will have to isolate as per the track and trace advice. Players are travelling on several coaches to ensure distancing, where changing rooms don't allow they will use more than one training area, they are permitted a team talk together for no more than 15 minutes and they are wearing GPS trackers on the pitch to define who, if any, have fallen into this proximity and time.

I heard some stats on this a couple of days ago (the league have looked at data from prior matches to understand the risk). Essentially there is no chance of it being an issue - may not have the number quite right from memory but the typical time someone spends within 2m of another player during a match 'contact' is something like 2.5 seconds. The 15 minute rule won't come remotely close to being triggered, hence only the player testing positive will need to isolate within the rules the PL have agreed with the Government. Add to that the way players will be managing the risk of infection themselves, plus the very regular testing etc I'd say the chances of the programme being derailed ow are quite slim - it would be more external factors (such as a significant second wave perhaps - which shows no sign of happening at all)

 

[sydney]

It will be completed without any doubt. I would say even a huge spike in infections won't stop it. The only way it might be delayed further is if several players from 1 team get infected.

Burnley would be nice.

 

[Beanstalk]

Based on what?

There is nothing in any data, here or abroad, to suggest anything like this?

Nothing but cynicism mate! Our numbers don't look good in comparison to anywhere (bar the US) and a second spike is seemingly on its way if China is the first marker (as it has been for the first wave - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/17/beijing-coronavirus-outbreak-city-raises-emergency-level-and-grounds-hundreds-of-flights). If there is a sharp rise in the infection rate, I personally can't see a point where at least regionally we don't enter a second lockdown, attempting to some extent to control the spread.

This is obviously all personal opinion, not scaremongering, and not really the point of my post. Replying to the OP;

i really doubt it will be completed to be fair , they are bound to feck it up somehow......i'd give 7/4 at best , no faith whatsoever.

that regardless of the severity of what happens in the future, I think the economic implications of this season will mean that once we start there is no chance of it stopping without government intervention (and with the measures in place currently - testing/isolation/heavy duty cleaning - there is no chance of that).

 

[Bozza]

I heard some stats on this a couple of days ago (the league have looked at data from prior matches to understand the risk). Essentially there is no chance of it being an issue - may not have the number quite right from memory but the typical time someone spends within 2m of another player during a match 'contact' is something like 2.5 seconds. The 15 minute rule won't come remotely close to being triggered, hence only the player testing positive will need to isolate within the rules the PL have agreed with the Government. Add to that the way players will be managing the risk of infection themselves, plus the very regular testing etc I'd say the chances of the programme being derailed ow are quite slim - it would be more external factors (such as a significant second wave perhaps - which shows no sign of happening at all)

2.5 seconds can't be remotely correct. When players are waiting for a corner to be delivered, for example, some players will be in close proximity for longer than that, not that I'm suggesting it would be anything like 15 minutes.

I would have thought the biggest risk to a squad being hit at scale with infection would be travel to away fixtures if conducted by coach in any way. If any player was infected and shedding virus ahead of being tested, the limited circulation of air could cause other infections amongst the squad.

 

[sydney]

2.5 seconds can't be remotely correct. When players are waiting for a corner to be delivered, for example, some players will be in close proximity for longer than that, not that I'm suggesting it would be anything like 15 minutes.

I would have thought the biggest risk to a squad being hit at scale with infection would be travel to away fixtures if conducted by coach in any way. If any player was infected and shedding virus ahead of being tested, the limited circulation of air could cause other infections amongst the squad.

aren't they supposed to be driving individually to the games .........they are putting them all on coaches now......? it's screwed already then innit.

ffs....couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery .

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The intention is clearly to finish the season, else we wouldn't be bombarded with all these daft promotions for cardboard cut-outs and pig-outs on Harveys and sausage rolls

 

[dazzer6666]

2.5 seconds can't be remotely correct. When players are waiting for a corner to be delivered, for example, some players will be in close proximity for longer than that, not that I'm suggesting it would be anything like 15 minutes.

I would have thought the biggest risk to a squad being hit at scale with infection would be travel to away fixtures if conducted by coach in any way. If any player was infected and shedding virus ahead of being tested, the limited circulation of air could cause other infections amongst the squad.

Not sure - only repeating what (I think) I heard (I'll try to find a link) - need to think about it as an average though, not set-pieces in isolation. Wouldn't always be the same players in close proximity at a set piece either.

Edit - not quite what I heard - but average 39 seconds (one player within 2m of another) PER GAME according to studies

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ague-analysis-close-contact-matches-suggests/

 

[lawros left foot]

And that's the big one.

Should the PL manage to complete all fixtures but the Championship not, then there's going to be a HUGE can of worms opened.

Relegation / promotion when a season hasn't been completed will end up in court. Likewise, the COE will kick off if they don't get promoted should they finish top two with a few games not played.

It will get very messy that's for sure.

I still can't see how logically you can relegate / promote any team that hasn't completed all it's fixtures. Legally, I have no idea.........

Already started in Scotland


Hearts have started legal action against the Scottish Professional Football League after the collapse of reconstruction talks sealed their relegation from the top flight.

The club will pursue several million pounds worth of damages from the SPFL, a matter amplified by the 2020-21 Championship being reduced to a 27-game season. Legal challenges to the abandonment of league seasons in France and Belgium have also strengthened Hearts’ resolve.

Hearts were four points adrift with eight fixtures to play when coronavirus halted the season. A subsequent, highly controversial SPFL vote allowed its board to determine placings as final. After that transpired, expanding the Premiership from 12 to 14 teams was widely discussed but never thought likely to receive the necessary level of support. That route was formally shut down by the SPFL on Monday, with Hearts, having had QC’s working quietly on their case for a number of weeks and due to submit papers to Edinburgh’s court of session within the next 48 hours, wasting no time in confirming their next step.
“Now that all other avenues are closed, we are left with no choice but to proceed with a legal challenge,” Hearts said in a statement. “The club has tried throughout these last few months to avoid this course of action but we must now do the right thing by our supporters, our employees, our players and our sponsors, all of whom have been unwavering in their commitment and support. We can hold our heads up high as we have acted at all times with integrity, common sense and with the best interests of Scottish football at heart.

“While many weeks have been wasted in trying to find a solution, we must now formally challenge this outcome. The club can confirm that the necessary steps have been taken to begin this legal challenge. Given that this is now an active legal matter, the club will be offering no further comment at this time.


The voting farce questions the SPFL must answer – but hasn't
Read more
“To our amazing fans we say that we cannot, and will not, sit idly by and watch the decisions made in the past few months further damage Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Thank you for fighting for us, now allow us to do the same for you.”

Partick, removed from the Championship on a points-per-game basis despite being two adrift of Queen of the South while holding a game in hand, conceded cost prohibits them from following Hearts’ lead.

Still, the Glasgow club were scathing about the circumstances of their situation. “As a member of the SPFL, we feel badly let down especially by its board and chairman,” said Partick.

“In allowing harm to be done to some members, as they have done, can the SPFL really still be regarded as a membership organisation that works in the best interests of all its members, one that genuinely acts on behalf of the membership as a whole? In all of its actions of recent months, the SPFL has shown it is not fit for purpose.”

Hearts said they were “disappointed, yet sadly not surprised” league reorganisation had failed. “We thank those who were open‑minded, pragmatic and willing to come together to try and reach a fair outcome for all. Sadly, there were too few of us.”

The on-field byproduct is the likely and imminent departure of Daniel Stendel as head coach. John Robertson, the club’s record goalscorer, and Neil McCann will be the leading candidates to replace the German.

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

aren't they supposed to be driving individually to the games .........they are putting them all on coaches now......? it's screwed already then innit.

ffs....couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery .

I think the League advice was for players to travel individually, or if as a group they recommended plane travel (presumably private charter) rather than coach.

I don't think 15 mins is relevant. All the measures for the public like track and trace are replaced by the testing regime and all the other measures in place for the players. I don't think there are any plans to isolate any players unless they themselves test positive. I might be wrong.

 

[sydney]

Already started in Scotland


Hearts have started legal action against the Scottish Professional Football League after the collapse of reconstruction talks sealed their relegation from the top flight.

The club will pursue several million pounds worth of damages from the SPFL, a matter amplified by the 2020-21 Championship being reduced to a 27-game season. Legal challenges to the abandonment of league seasons in France and Belgium have also strengthened Hearts’ resolve.

Hearts were four points adrift with eight fixtures to play when coronavirus halted the season. A subsequent, highly controversial SPFL vote allowed its board to determine placings as final. After that transpired, expanding the Premiership from 12 to 14 teams was widely discussed but never thought likely to receive the necessary level of support. That route was formally shut down by the SPFL on Monday, with Hearts, having had QC’s working quietly on their case for a number of weeks and due to submit papers to Edinburgh’s court of session within the next 48 hours, wasting no time in confirming their next step.
“Now that all other avenues are closed, we are left with no choice but to proceed with a legal challenge,” Hearts said in a statement. “The club has tried throughout these last few months to avoid this course of action but we must now do the right thing by our supporters, our employees, our players and our sponsors, all of whom have been unwavering in their commitment and support. We can hold our heads up high as we have acted at all times with integrity, common sense and with the best interests of Scottish football at heart.

“While many weeks have been wasted in trying to find a solution, we must now formally challenge this outcome. The club can confirm that the necessary steps have been taken to begin this legal challenge. Given that this is now an active legal matter, the club will be offering no further comment at this time.


The voting farce questions the SPFL must answer – but hasn't
Read more
“To our amazing fans we say that we cannot, and will not, sit idly by and watch the decisions made in the past few months further damage Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Thank you for fighting for us, now allow us to do the same for you.”

Partick, removed from the Championship on a points-per-game basis despite being two adrift of Queen of the South while holding a game in hand, conceded cost prohibits them from following Hearts’ lead.

Still, the Glasgow club were scathing about the circumstances of their situation. “As a member of the SPFL, we feel badly let down especially by its board and chairman,” said Partick.

“In allowing harm to be done to some members, as they have done, can the SPFL really still be regarded as a membership organisation that works in the best interests of all its members, one that genuinely acts on behalf of the membership as a whole? In all of its actions of recent months, the SPFL has shown it is not fit for purpose.”

Hearts said they were “disappointed, yet sadly not surprised” league reorganisation had failed. “We thank those who were open‑minded, pragmatic and willing to come together to try and reach a fair outcome for all. Sadly, there were too few of us.”

The on-field byproduct is the likely and imminent departure of Daniel Stendel as head coach. John Robertson, the club’s record goalscorer, and Neil McCann will be the leading candidates to replace the German.

and why wouldn't you ....it's a shitstorm waiting to happen and the more i think about it , it's a great diversion for the next few weeks while the dumbfuk government goes about its inept, jumbling, bullshittery .....i can just see the twatts pulling the pin with 3 games left just to distract the plebs from the fact that they are a clueless shower of offal.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Already started in Scotland


Hearts have started legal action against the Scottish Professional Football League after the collapse of reconstruction talks sealed their relegation from the top flight.

The club will pursue several million pounds worth of damages from the SPFL, a matter amplified by the 2020-21 Championship being reduced to a 27-game season. Legal challenges to the abandonment of league seasons in France and Belgium have also strengthened Hearts’ resolve.

Hearts were four points adrift with eight fixtures to play when coronavirus halted the season. A subsequent, highly controversial SPFL vote allowed its board to determine placings as final. After that transpired, expanding the Premiership from 12 to 14 teams was widely discussed but never thought likely to receive the necessary level of support. That route was formally shut down by the SPFL on Monday, with Hearts, having had QC’s working quietly on their case for a number of weeks and due to submit papers to Edinburgh’s court of session within the next 48 hours, wasting no time in confirming their next step.
“Now that all other avenues are closed, we are left with no choice but to proceed with a legal challenge,” Hearts said in a statement. “The club has tried throughout these last few months to avoid this course of action but we must now do the right thing by our supporters, our employees, our players and our sponsors, all of whom have been unwavering in their commitment and support. We can hold our heads up high as we have acted at all times with integrity, common sense and with the best interests of Scottish football at heart.

“While many weeks have been wasted in trying to find a solution, we must now formally challenge this outcome. The club can confirm that the necessary steps have been taken to begin this legal challenge. Given that this is now an active legal matter, the club will be offering no further comment at this time.


The voting farce questions the SPFL must answer – but hasn't
Read more
“To our amazing fans we say that we cannot, and will not, sit idly by and watch the decisions made in the past few months further damage Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Thank you for fighting for us, now allow us to do the same for you.”

Partick, removed from the Championship on a points-per-game basis despite being two adrift of Queen of the South while holding a game in hand, conceded cost prohibits them from following Hearts’ lead.

Still, the Glasgow club were scathing about the circumstances of their situation. “As a member of the SPFL, we feel badly let down especially by its board and chairman,” said Partick.

“In allowing harm to be done to some members, as they have done, can the SPFL really still be regarded as a membership organisation that works in the best interests of all its members, one that genuinely acts on behalf of the membership as a whole? In all of its actions of recent months, the SPFL has shown it is not fit for purpose.”

Hearts said they were “disappointed, yet sadly not surprised” league reorganisation had failed. “We thank those who were open‑minded, pragmatic and willing to come together to try and reach a fair outcome for all. Sadly, there were too few of us.”

The on-field byproduct is the likely and imminent departure of Daniel Stendel as head coach. John Robertson, the club’s record goalscorer, and Neil McCann will be the leading candidates to replace the German.

Interesting, and will be amplified tenfold with the money that the PL and the clubs affected could chuck at each other in solicitors fees (should it come to that).

 

[LamieRobertson]

and why wouldn't you ....it's a shitstorm waiting to happen and the more i think about it , it's a great diversion for the next few weeks while the dumbfuk government goes about its inept, jumbling, bullshittery .....i can just see the twatts pulling the pin with 3 games left just to distract the plebs from the fact that they are a clueless shower of offal.

Didn’t take long for politics to enter a football debate once again

As regards to your comment on another post that it’s ‘’screwed” perhaps wait an see before entering judgement..oh hang on I forgot ..what we’re those odds you were offering

 

[bluenitsuj]

The season will be finished. Cannot see any reason why not.

 

[nicko31]

The season will be finished. Cannot see any reason why not.

It will get finish even if there's an outbreak amongst players they will get it over the line

 

[sydney]

Didn’t take long for politics to enter a football debate once again

As regards to your comment on another post that it’s ‘’screwed” perhaps wait an see before entering judgement..oh hang on I forgot ..what we’re those odds you were offering

7/4 but just to make it real if the season does complete i will put a 100 quid into the REMF if you will match it with 100 if it doesn't...ya ya...?

and no more politics ...