O/T Holly and Jessica Soham trial

[albiongirl]

It is a very emotive subject and one no one can understand why people do this to kids it baffles me. Unfortunatley for what ever reason throughout history this is not a uncommon occurance. The question still remains why??

 

[readingstockport]

It is a very emotive subject and one no one can understand why people do this to kids it baffles me. Unfortunatley for what ever reason throughout history this is not a uncommon occurance. The question still remains why??

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Don't know, not trying to justify, not trying to explain.

Sick fucks exist, they always have, in Victorian england 'they' thought it right to send 4 years olds up chimneys to clean them. We now know this was wrong, despite those who would like to return to those days, days in which droit de seigneiur still existed btw,.

I passionately believe that anyone accused of anything of this kind HAS to be tried by a court of law instead of the tabloids. If they are guilty then the force of law, as decided by the executive, should be brought down. If found not-guilty, for whatever reason, then ....

 

[Gwylan]

Sick fucks exist, they always have, in Victorian england 'they' thought it right to send 4 years olds up chimneys to clean them. We now know this was wrong, despite those who would like to return to those days, days in which droit de seigneiur still existed btw

What I like about NSC is the way that starts off on one subject and veers towards something else. Droit de seigneur being a good example.

Let's nail this one first: Droit de seigneur is largely a myth and certainly never existed in England. Read about it here
http://www.snopes.com/weddings/customs/droit.htm

Nor is it exactly true to say that the Victorians thought it right to send kids up chimney. This practice was made illegal by 1840 Chimney Sweeps Act (although it was widely ignored).

To get back to the Soham case, what I can't work out is why I find this so upsetting. Obviously, all kids' murders are terrible events but I find this case particularly poignant. Is it because there were two of them? Is it because they knew the accused? Or is it because there's a woman involved?

But no matter how horrible it seems, everyone is entitled to a fair trial, no matter what it costs the tax payer.

 

[CAFC Matt]

I think it is disgusting that the media are trying to make money form tellling everyone every detail of what happended to them. I for one don't want to know. RIP Jessica and Holly, they should be left aloneby the media etc.

 

[Bwian]

Can't believe this court case is going ahead at the Tax payers exspence. He is guilty as charged.

He is only considered guilty as charged by the police and the media-neither of which is to be trusted. The police are regularly exposed for fabricating evidence and obtaining wrongful convictions-usually ending up with some poor bastard spending years in prison for something they didn't do.

He must have a fair trial-regardless of how disgusted we all feel towards him and his deranged girlfriend. Remember, he is innocent until proven guilty.

WHEN found guilty, he should rot in prison with zero protection from other inmates.

 

[elbowpatches]

I think it is disgusting that the media are trying to make money form tellling everyone every detail of what happended to them. I for one don't want to know. RIP Jessica and Holly, they should be left aloneby the media etc.

My thoughts exactly. The whole thing was awful and working in a school five miles away from Soham meant that the kids (and parents) were understandably concerned about the whole affair.

It has really affected the whole community up here, would you believe that someone said over the summer they saw a coach doing a tour of Soham and included the whole incident?

Having been to a few meetings and courses at Soham Village College (Village Colleges are Cambridgeshires secondary schools) I can say that things there are as normal as possible but I guess it is all being dragged up again.

 

[marvin]

To get back to the Soham case, what I can't work out is why I find this so upsetting. Obviously, all kids' murders are terrible events but I find this case particularly poignant. Is it because there were two of them? Is it because they knew the accused? Or is it because there's a woman involved?

I believe its the media coverage it got, the fact that last year this was forced down everyone's throats, are they alive are they dead etc. Have you seen them, did you see them.

The media is continuing that.

He is only considered guilty as charged by the police and the media-neither of which is to be trusted. The police are regularly exposed for fabricating evidence and obtaining wrongful convictions-usually ending up with some poor bastard spending years in prison for something they didn't do.

He must have a fair trial-regardless of how disgusted we all feel towards him and his deranged girlfriend. Remember, he is innocent until proven guilty.

WHEN found guilty, he should rot in prison with zero protection from other inmates.

This is simply no longer the case. When people were saying this time last year that he was guilty and should not be alive I was first out the trap (and one of the few) saying wait for the evidence, wait to see if the police have got it right. Too often in high profile cases they are under pressure to get someone that anyone will do regardless of the methods they have to use.

It appears from the opening speech in the case that he is not denying that they entered his house alive, they left dead, he was the only other person present and that he disposed of their bodies. (He is pleading guilty to perverting the course of justice).

It would seem from this that there is no argument that the police have got the right people. The only question is now was it murder or an accident. Or is he going to claim he was mentally disturbed at the time thus not in control of his actions. (He can get a not guilty verdict from that.)

It will also be key to if he spends his time next to Joe burglar or Ian Brady.