O.K once and for all FALMER

[*Gullsworth*]

The thing is Rolls Royce, Goodwood race course both around chichester managed to get away with it and the body shop at Littlehampton, i think it's a class thing.

I personally think the race course is a eye sore and you can see it for miles, how did that they manage that?

The Racecourse i can live with it has been there for years and has grown (imo) to an outstanding sporting arena which employs thousands of people, but i agree 100% about the Rolls Royce Factory, while i feel it has been designed to blend in with the surrounding countryside the planning application and approval was rushed through in no time at all!.........Now i know different councils are involved but the Falmer Stadium would benefit the community just as RR has created work (not for local workers i hear you say) and subsequently boosted the local economy...so why has a factory application been rushed through and a community stadium taken over 7 years to plan and drag through the courts and local government refusal to aprove a worthwhile and sympathetic planning application





MONEY TALKS

 

[chip]

The Racecourse i can live with it has been there for years and has grown (imo) to an outstanding sporting arena which employs thousands of people, but i agree 100% about the Rolls Royce Factory, while i feel it has been designed to blend in with the surrounding countryside the planning application and approval was rushed through in no time at all!.........Now i know different councils are involved but the Falmer Stadium would benefit the community just as RR has created work (not for local workers i hear you say) and subsequently boosted the local economy...so why has a factory application been rushed through and a community stadium taken over 7 years to plan and drag through the courts and local government refusal to aprove a worthwhile and sympathetic planning application

MONEY TALKS

I agree about the race course, but RR was hardly rushed through was it? It is also a large contributor to the local economy and is on a site that was designated for industrial development such that the centre of chi could accomodate more (crap) housing. It has zero impact on road usage and did not affect an existing community.

Falmer is hardly sympathetic to the local environment when you think about it and it cannot surprise anyone that the residents would try their hardest to stop it. There are probably as many people, if not more, who are opposed to the stadium as the 6000 or so who actively support it. Most people probably don't give a toss. I really don't think its a money issue at all.

To my mind, the real criminals are B&H council who should have done more to identify, permit and fund a suitable site as part of a larger development. This should have been happening in 1995. As it stands, the "Community" notion of the stadium is risible.

 

[SI 4 BHA]

Fully support Falmer but would have preferred a major development at Withdean as it's only a 10 minute walk!

Also, re other sites, just because somethings on NSC as purported fact doesn't mean it's the only way of looking at something, ie,

"Toad's Hole Valley
- there is no rail access to this site
- Providing necessary additions to public transport infrastructure is not possible
- there is no sustainable transport solution to this site"

The above is true, but non of the above seemed to stop Coventrys new ground - no rail, no parking etc, and their application was submitted much later than ours and was approved without too much trouble. Also, don't think they've done much at Ashburton Grove to help the transport infra structure!

Could probably say the same about most of the other sites. Maybe if it had been part of a larger commercial development with real money behind the application, we would have it sorted by now. Can't see Tescos etc being put off by the tossers at LDC!

Falmer was the only site supported by the council, but maybe with hindsight we should have done our own thing and appealed when the council objected. Councils lose planning aoppeals all the time, you never know, it may heve even gone to a public enquiry!!

We've been good little boys, done as we are told and played by the rules and so far got f**k all.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

I agree about the race course, but RR was hardly rushed through was it? It is also a large contributor to the local economy and is on a site that was designated for industrial development such that the centre of chi could accomodate more (crap) housing. It has zero impact on road usage and did not affect an existing community.

Falmer is hardly sympathetic to the local environment when you think about it and it cannot surprise anyone that the residents would try their hardest to stop it. There are probably as many people, if not more, who are opposed to the stadium as the 6000 or so who actively support it. Most people probably don't give a toss. I really don't think its a money issue at all.

To my mind, the real criminals are B&H council who should have done more to identify, permit and fund a suitable site as part of a larger development. This should have been happening in 1995. As it stands, the "Community" notion of the stadium is risible.

Don't get me wrong, I think the RR factory has benefited the Chichester area. The Building blends in quite well with the surroundings and the area has to a point been regenerated. But comparing it with Falmer you can see where the arguments begin to surface. The Factory never took seven years to get to a point where planning permission was obtained, Local people on the whole would be employed at a comunity Stadium but emloyees of the RR factory were relocated and employed from all over the country. A Stadium could be and has been designed to blend in with the surroundings not unlike RR or in Fact Goodwood Racecourse which i think has buildings of beauty. You cannot tell me Rolls Royce never encountered opposition to building a car factory nestleling beneath the glorious south downs and near Glorious Goodwood, so how come it was built a lot quicker than Falmer ever will when the benefits of Falmer seem to mirror if not outweigh a Car factory?


Seems very odd to me and a lot off other people

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Don't get me wrong, I think the RR factory has benefited the Chichester area. The Building blends in quite well with the surroundings and the area has to a point been regenerated. But comparing it with Falmer you can see where the arguments begin to surface. The Factory never took seven years to get to a point where planning permission was obtained, Local people on the whole would be employed at a comunity Stadium but emloyees of the RR factory were relocated and employed from all over the country. A Stadium could be and has been designed to blend in with the surroundings not unlike RR or in Fact Goodwood Racecourse which i think has buildings of beauty. You cannot tell me Rolls Royce never encountered opposition to building a car factory nestleling beneath the glorious south downs and near Glorious Goodwood, so how come it was built a lot quicker than Falmer ever will when the benefits of Falmer seem to mirror if not outweigh a Car factory?


Seems very odd to me and a lot off other people

Those bleeding Germans you got to watch them




I wonder if we would have had our ground if we were called Chelski.

Watch those Ruskies.

 

[BensGrandad]

A classic example is McLarens at Woking the said they wanted to build a plant just outside Woking and if they were refused they would move elsewhere end result they have a new site just outside Woking, as somebody said Money Talks.

 

[Gwylan]

To my mind, the real criminals are B&H council who should have done more to identify, permit and fund a suitable site as part of a larger development. This should have been happening in 1995. As it stands, the "Community" notion of the stadium is risible.

Er...B&H council didn't exist in 1995. It was the Tory-run Hove council who approved the sale of Goldstone without calling for a replacement site.

Yet another reminder that the Tory party has always been an enemy of football.

 

[Jam The Man]

FFS it doesn't matter whether it's the wrong choice, it is THE choice.. get over it and get behind it instead of fueling flames lit by undemocratic councillors

 

[zefarelly]

The Rolls Factory is built on Land owned by Lord March and his estate, and is almost entirely underground.

McLaren generate squillions of pounds a year in all manner of business, bought the land, paid for everything etc . . . and employ a large mainly local workforce.

BHAFC don't compare in any way shape or form really.

but . . .money talks as people say

I do wonder whether some people take the club seriously wanting to build a £50m stadium when they haven't got any money at all, no assets, and no definite financial backers, hence the opportunist attempts to block the clubs progress by MIchael Rodent groups such as FPC etc

 

[TSB]

No debate

 

[Gwylan]

I find it disconcerting that there are 14 people who have apparently been asleep for the last six years.

It's a clear majority but there really should be NO votes for 'No' - unless there are some LDC fifth-columnists on here stirring things.

 

[London Irish]

Yes, i agree Falmer is the best suited place for a Stadium, but I can't believe that all of the other sites would have taken so long to get permission to build on.

I'm convinced that is not true.

With Falmer, we have very powerful allies in Brighton and Hove Council and now the Government.

With the other sites, we would have had little or no allies, would have had to fight a hostile local populace virtually all on our own without any support from well-connected politicians, which would have led to inevitable defeat.

While the current delays are very frustrating and may well be lengthy, we should not lose perspective and forget that we are still overwhelming favourites to win planning permission.

Remember, the Lewes-inspired delays are part of a pyschological war being fought to demoralise Brighton fans and make us doubt our true path.

 

[British Bulldog]

Of all the site's mentioned Falmer has by far the best public access, so yes it is the best place for the stadium.

At least the rail link is proven to be able to transport thousands of people along that line.

Thats proved every year with the Lewes bonfire nite.

 

[Marc]

Its always been of my impretion that Falmer is *currently* the only choice, and that staying there for 10-15 years until somewhere Bigger becomes available. Thats gathered from all sorts of various sources since Day 1 back in 1934 or whenever we set out on this quest for the Holy Grail!

Either way my vote has always been Falmer, I would dearly LOVE it to be at Shoreham Airport or the Cement Works or even Shoreham Harbour....but I fully understand and stand by the reasons why these sites are blatantly not viable.

 

[dougdeep]

One and only.