Hannibal smith
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If Notts county are the Worlds oldest team, then who did they play against when they first started? Just an irrelevant thought.
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Notts County on the brink of extinction
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Who Replied?Paul Scholes is helping Oldham and becoming a patron of their Trust.
It's good to see the players who take so much out of the game putting something back in as well as the fans.
Scholes backing Oldham Trust
It's good to see the players who take so much out of the game putting something back in as well as the fans.
Scholes backing Oldham Trust
Goring Gull
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If you don't pat your mortgage- you lose your house.
If a business doesn't make money it goes out ogf business.
At the end of the day if the Business that is Notts County is not viable then it has to go, Harsh but fair same as what could have happened to us.
To be honest what with the cost of players wages etc and the lack of TV money in the lower divisions maybe it's time natural selection crept in and the weak die off and the strong continue.
Plus after the Playoff final defeat and Tommy Johnsons goal that came from what wasn't a corner i don't have alot of time for Notts County anyway.
If we had won that game we'd have eneded up on the recieving end of skys millions and if you believe some of the tripe spouted on here with our massive support we would have risen and risen and an Old Trafford like theatre of Dreams on the South Coast would have appeared and spurred us on to European and World club domination......
If a business doesn't make money it goes out ogf business.
At the end of the day if the Business that is Notts County is not viable then it has to go, Harsh but fair same as what could have happened to us.
To be honest what with the cost of players wages etc and the lack of TV money in the lower divisions maybe it's time natural selection crept in and the weak die off and the strong continue.
Plus after the Playoff final defeat and Tommy Johnsons goal that came from what wasn't a corner i don't have alot of time for Notts County anyway.
If we had won that game we'd have eneded up on the recieving end of skys millions and if you believe some of the tripe spouted on here with our massive support we would have risen and risen and an Old Trafford like theatre of Dreams on the South Coast would have appeared and spurred us on to European and World club domination......
Herne Hill Seagull
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Goring, I can't believe you'd be so sanguine about it if it were us. A shrug of the shoulders, 'well, that's business for you'?
You only have to look at what's happened at Middlesbrough and, to a lesser extent, ourselves, so see that football clubs can recover and go on to flourish from their nadir. They just need to be given a chance to do so.
You only have to look at what's happened at Middlesbrough and, to a lesser extent, ourselves, so see that football clubs can recover and go on to flourish from their nadir. They just need to be given a chance to do so.
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"There there! Good Mortgage! Down boy!"Goring Gull said:If you don't pat your mortgage- ..
Sorry for being facetious (sp), I largely agree with you although I've forgiven them for the Play-off defeat. I blame our kit, none of our players could pass to each other because they couldn't stand the sight of each other.
Goring Gull
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I do still think that there isn't enough money to keep the whole 92 teams going in present form, it's a pity but until the Premiership stop making so much money then clubs will always aspire to getting there which is natural as whats the point otherwise. Trying to achieve this though is whats causing problems as players are demanding higher wages etc etc.
Herne Hill Seagull
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There's plenty of money, but there's a surfeit of it at the very top and a dearth everywhere else. If the States, 'the land of the free', possibly the most anti-Communist country in the world, can live with rules which are basically there to ensure as much egalitarianism as possible (draft system, salary capping, distribution of TV income etc) then why the hell can't we come up with something?
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fatbadger
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lots could be done - and as Herne Hill points out, the sports sytem is pretty much the only good thing to come out of that godforsaken (whatever 80% of them believe) country (and I'm including the college system in that).
There is plenty money around - it is just concentrated into the pockets of a few teams.
But what we MUST do is stop thinking of football clubs as necessarily businesses. They are not - they are community organisations. They have to be incorporated as profit-making business because of some utterly ridiculous and arcane FA rule. Why not nonprofitmaking trusts? Works in Spain, for instance.
It is the capitalist business model of football that is destroying so many clubs. To say "well, they're businesses, so they deserve to die if they are not well run businesses" is a pile of tosh - rather, the capitalist business model is not working, not protecting these thoroughly vital sections of their community, so lets change that model, or its enforced use in football.
There is plenty money around - it is just concentrated into the pockets of a few teams.
But what we MUST do is stop thinking of football clubs as necessarily businesses. They are not - they are community organisations. They have to be incorporated as profit-making business because of some utterly ridiculous and arcane FA rule. Why not nonprofitmaking trusts? Works in Spain, for instance.
It is the capitalist business model of football that is destroying so many clubs. To say "well, they're businesses, so they deserve to die if they are not well run businesses" is a pile of tosh - rather, the capitalist business model is not working, not protecting these thoroughly vital sections of their community, so lets change that model, or its enforced use in football.
fatbadger said:... But what we MUST do is stop thinking of football clubs as necessarily businesses. They are not - they are community organisations. They have to be incorporated as profit-making business because of some utterly ridiculous and arcane FA rule. Why not nonprofitmaking trusts? Works in Spain, for instance.
It is the capitalist business model of football that is destroying so many clubs. To say "well, they're businesses, so they deserve to die if they are not well run businesses" is a pile of tosh - rather, the capitalist business model is not working, not protecting these thoroughly vital sections of their community, so lets change that model, or its enforced use in football.
Good point, I believe Nottingham Forest were the last club to succumb to the 'Limited Company' idea. However even if clubs were set up as non-profit making companies or even as charities that would still not necessarily mean that they would be well run. So why worry about trying to save Notts County PLC? Why not let it die and allow a proper community club to arise in its place? As I said earlier, "Notts County" will never die.
And even Spain has problems. Real Madrid have a debt that would embarrass a third-world banana republic. They were allowed to completely disregard the rules because they were Real Madrid
Goring Gull
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Aren't Real Madrid bank rolled by the King of Spain?
Football Genius aka FG
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- Jul 21, 2003
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so wot will be their last game? if clubs gave a *** they'd be offering their stars and a manager to play them in a friendly of 'England' or 'GB' or sumthing like that stars clearly they dont
Herne Hill Seagull
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A Catalan myth, Goring. They are, however, allowed to get away with a debt burden that nobody else would be, even if it were 'serviceable' as they put it, partly because nobody dare be the one to file a bankruptcy suit against them. They'd get lynched.
They've cleared a chunk of their debt (by no means all of it though) by selling their training ground in the north of the city. For a team of their size and prestige, their training facilities are now pretty basic. All the president(s) seem(s) to care about is getting the biggest names into the side, at the moment to the concern even of the Madrilenos - most of them were cool on Beckham's signing and wanted Makelele to stay.
They've cleared a chunk of their debt (by no means all of it though) by selling their training ground in the north of the city. For a team of their size and prestige, their training facilities are now pretty basic. All the president(s) seem(s) to care about is getting the biggest names into the side, at the moment to the concern even of the Madrilenos - most of them were cool on Beckham's signing and wanted Makelele to stay.