Lammy
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dave the gaffer said:Thankyou for pointing out to me that I am a worthless piece of scum and do not deserve to be a fan.
Well I wasn't going to be the first to say it...
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No Standing At Withdean
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Well I wasn't going to be the first to say it...
Dave the OAP
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goodby cruel world
The Great Cornholio
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Brighton till i die said:i understand those days cant come back (mosh pit style.......not entirely sure of the definition of that word) but standing areas for a certian portion of fans is essentail for their involvement and participation throughout the game. We pay lots of money, travel f***ing miles all over the country and the best times are terraced grounds.
just my feelings maybe.
I had to look it up to make sure I was using it in the right context! I believe it's the area in front of a stage where the crowd push and pull each other around.
I'm sure there are loads of people who agree with you - 10 years ago I probably would have. But it is that kind of machismo that is being squeezed out of football. (rightly or wrongly) It is a much more sanitised experience which has good and bad points. But, thankfully for 90% of supporters, there is no longer the fear of walking to the station or to an away ground. If the price of less hooliganism is the loss of the physcial side of watching a game then it is probably a price worth paying.
seagull1971
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Dave The Gaffer i suggest you check the threads out properly they were'nt my words , i think this is getting a bit out of hand , i didn't anticipate the type of responses the thread would receive.
Regards seagull1971
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Brighton till i die
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The Great Cornholio said:
your probably right.
bloody great sham ethough.
(thanks for the definition!
)Brighton till i die
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seagull1971 said:
dont go mate - it is just a bit of light banter
The Great Cornholio
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seagull1971 said:
Noun 1. irony - witty language used to convey insults or scorn; "he used sarcasm to upset his opponent"; "irony is wasted on the stupid"; "Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Johathan Swift
Synonyms: caustic remark, sarcasm, satire
2. irony - incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs; "the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated"
3. irony - a trope that involves incongruity between what is expected and what occurs
Don't take every post at face value!. Jeez!
seagull1971
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brighton till i die , you're bloody enjoying this mate aint you ha ha
Brighton till i die
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seagull1971 said:
not really mate - i was trying to just have a discussion with you - like everyone else - i am agreeing with your original pint regarding seating/standing etc.
chill out and enjoy it - this is actually a f***ing good site mate.
Dave the OAP
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seagull1971 said:
where did I misinterpret you calling me a fair weather fan mate?
Anyway..we have had some periods of high excitement this season.....erm....Reading..goal on 14 seconds...hurt my bloody shin there jumping up and down...Jakeys goal...hugged some veluptuous woman I seem to recall...Plymouth....nah..spent the whole game in a state of suicidal depression....Coventry....their goal a cracker......Virgo's free kick that I thought would clear the railway line....that is about it so far
Brighton till i die
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dave the gaffer said:
not bad from 3 games eh!
Dave the OAP
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i know...
I tell you what though..It was interesting that the little tubby steward ( sorry love) didn't come up into the stand to tell us all to sit down.
Seemly they are recording everyone in the stand on cctv and if it doesn't improve there will be banning orders issued!!
I tell you what though..It was interesting that the little tubby steward ( sorry love) didn't come up into the stand to tell us all to sit down.
Seemly they are recording everyone in the stand on cctv and if it doesn't improve there will be banning orders issued!!
seagull1971
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Brighton till i die said:
Brighton till i die
You havin' a bubble?
dave the gaffer said:i know...
I tell you what though..It was interesting that the little tubby steward ( sorry love) didn't come up into the stand to tell us all to sit down.
Seemly they are recording everyone in the stand on cctv and if it doesn't improve there will be banning orders issued!!
at withdean or at the reading game?
Brighton till i die
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seagull1971 said:Brighton till i die said:
just a bit mate - anyway, on with the discussions eh!
Lammy
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But what topping? That's the question!
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This doesn't just apply to us, it seems to be a crackdown by the Football authorities across the whole league. Take a look at some West Ham messageboards and you'll see that this arguement has been raging for days now. West Ham have had their away allocation for the game against Nottingham Forest cut because large sections of their support won't sit down. I think a certain amount of lee-way was given in regards to standing in all-seater grounds over the past few years but that time seems to be at an end. It may have something to do with fear of litigation, somebody could be injured or have their view obstructed by people standing in a seated area, then sue the club for not making sure people were following the rules and regulations. It's also a lot easier to identify and locate "trouble-makers" in all-seater grounds. Of course we all know that it's up to the people in charge what constitues a "trouble-maker". I'm sure Archer and Bellotti would have loved it if the Goldstone had been all-seater during the "war years".
Terracing at Football League grounds has nearly disappeared and it's not coming back anytime soon. Why? Money, that's why. Clubs and chairmen can make a lot more money charging for seats than they could for terracing. This is despite the Taylor report quite clearly stating that admission prices should not rise by a large amount. The Labour party made a lot of noise about bringing in German style terracing when it was in opposition but as soon as it go into power it performed a complete about-turn (what a surprise) and said that terracing was not on the agenda.
German football fans fought very hard to preserve cheap standing areas in stadiums and they were succesful. Plus clubs aren't run in the same way as ours are, profit is not the prime motivation of most Chairmen in Germany. Football clubs are part of sporting societies in Germany, providing a range of activites for the communities they represent. As a result they tend to treat supporters more like customers, unlike the way we are treated in this country as a captive audience. When supporters over there spoke, the clubs listened. Football clubs have never been run in this way in this country, they have always been vehicles that make the people that run them a lot of money and power.
It seems that quite a few people are becoming disillusioned with football, mainly men in their late twenties to early forties who enjoyed standing on the terraces. Football nowadays seems very rigid, constraints have been placed on nearly everything we can do or say in a football ground. For many the football ground was a place where we could be free from social constraints, where we could shout and swear and sing. The terrace allowed a kind of freedom, a place where we could join with others and form a a kind of collective. On a terrace there was a freedom of movement that allowed us to feel much more like a group, allowed us to feell much more like supporters. In all-seated stadia we are split into rows and individual seats. There is much less freedom and as a result it is harder to form that collective. As a result the atmosphere suffers.
I know that all-seater grounds are much better for families. There are far more kids attending football than the eighties. There are lots more women attending. I know that Football has opened up to a lot of people since the days of Hillsborough and all-seater grounds have played a part in this. It just seems to us men in our twenties/thirties and forties that football doesn't really want our custom, that we aren't especially welcome. Yet we are the ones who make up the majority of football supporters. The clubs seem to think that they can just rely on our eve-lasting support and they shouldn't be so complacent. This all-seater crackdown may be the final straw for a few people.
Terracing at Football League grounds has nearly disappeared and it's not coming back anytime soon. Why? Money, that's why. Clubs and chairmen can make a lot more money charging for seats than they could for terracing. This is despite the Taylor report quite clearly stating that admission prices should not rise by a large amount. The Labour party made a lot of noise about bringing in German style terracing when it was in opposition but as soon as it go into power it performed a complete about-turn (what a surprise) and said that terracing was not on the agenda.
German football fans fought very hard to preserve cheap standing areas in stadiums and they were succesful. Plus clubs aren't run in the same way as ours are, profit is not the prime motivation of most Chairmen in Germany. Football clubs are part of sporting societies in Germany, providing a range of activites for the communities they represent. As a result they tend to treat supporters more like customers, unlike the way we are treated in this country as a captive audience. When supporters over there spoke, the clubs listened. Football clubs have never been run in this way in this country, they have always been vehicles that make the people that run them a lot of money and power.
It seems that quite a few people are becoming disillusioned with football, mainly men in their late twenties to early forties who enjoyed standing on the terraces. Football nowadays seems very rigid, constraints have been placed on nearly everything we can do or say in a football ground. For many the football ground was a place where we could be free from social constraints, where we could shout and swear and sing. The terrace allowed a kind of freedom, a place where we could join with others and form a a kind of collective. On a terrace there was a freedom of movement that allowed us to feel much more like a group, allowed us to feell much more like supporters. In all-seated stadia we are split into rows and individual seats. There is much less freedom and as a result it is harder to form that collective. As a result the atmosphere suffers.
I know that all-seater grounds are much better for families. There are far more kids attending football than the eighties. There are lots more women attending. I know that Football has opened up to a lot of people since the days of Hillsborough and all-seater grounds have played a part in this. It just seems to us men in our twenties/thirties and forties that football doesn't really want our custom, that we aren't especially welcome. Yet we are the ones who make up the majority of football supporters. The clubs seem to think that they can just rely on our eve-lasting support and they shouldn't be so complacent. This all-seater crackdown may be the final straw for a few people.
Brighton till i die
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Lammy said:
pepperoni - always pepperoni!!!
Dave the OAP
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at withdean according to a mate who is a steward.
Does anyone remember the days when you could stand on the East Terrace in the sunshine and at half time sit down and read the program( which gave you imformation about the opposition PAUL CAMMLIN PLEASE TAKE NOTE).
Will those halcion days ever return? Do Rocking Horses sh1t?
Does anyone remember the days when you could stand on the East Terrace in the sunshine and at half time sit down and read the program( which gave you imformation about the opposition PAUL CAMMLIN PLEASE TAKE NOTE).
Will those halcion days ever return? Do Rocking Horses sh1t?
seagull1971
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Off now , sorry all , normally very positive , possibly could have had my thread twisted to the point that i was coming accross as a negative cronie, but i'll except paranoia on this occasion.