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Don't wait for me!
Jan 19, 2010
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Brighton - In your face
No fracking in home counties, village residents tell oil company | Environment | The Guardian

Well done Balcombe

After earthquakes in Lancashire and tales of poisoned water and flaming taps in the US, "fracking" for gas or oil in the English home counties was never likely to be easy. And so it proved when oil executives faced the fury of a village hall full of West Sussex residents in a clash over a controversial technology that energy companies believe could open up major reserves of energy from underground rocks.

"What you are about to do will make our water beyond toxic!" Ella Reeves shouted at Mark Miller, the Pennsylvania oil man who had come to Balcombe to explain plans to search for hydrocarbons 800 metres under the Sussex weald. "It's about money for you, but for me it is about life."

Reeves was one of around 200 residents squeezed into the village's well-kept village hall to hear Miller, the chief executive of Cuadrilla, a multinational oil and gas company, explain why he might want to use hydraulic fracturing or "fracking" less than a mile from the village, which lies on the London to Brighton commuter line, just five miles from Gatwick airport.

The technique involves forcing thousands of gallons of chemical solution under high pressure into rocks to release oil or gas, but opponents say it pollutes groundwater, adds to greenhouse gas pollution and destroys local ecosystems.

The meeting on Wednesday night was the latest skirmish in the battle between environmentalists and the oil and gas industry over access to the UK's shale gas and oil reserves, which in Lancashire alone could deliver £6bn a year for 30 years, according to one industry estimate.

Supporters say it will improve the UK's energy security and the battle has intensified in recent months with anti-fracking activists scaling a rig in Hesketh Bank, Lancashire, halting work in November.

Balcombe laid on a more polite welcome, but after two earth tremors near Blackpool last year were attributed to Cuadrilla's fracking operations, the atmosphere was tense. A warm-up video screened by the meeting organisers about the toxic impact of the technique in America raised the temperature to furious.

Miller and his two PR minders, all dressed in black, gritted their teeth as the film spoke of "red nasty water oozing out of the hill", "radium in waste products", "methane in drinking water" and how "our heaven has turned into our hell".

Fracking "threatens to destroy the environment and wreck lives", the voiceover said, adding frightening claims that the chemicals used in the US had been linked to bone, liver and breast cancers and disorders of the nervous system.

"I am going to be following a bit of a tough act with that video," said Miller as he took the microphone nervously. "I'm not sure I can."

He managed to explain that his company has acquired an exploration and development licence from the Department of Energy and Climate Change and that it only planned to drill a test well at this stage.

He said the pollution suffered in parts of America, where the fracking industry is huge and growing, represented "the poorest part of our industry". "Drilling and fracturing for natural gas is safe," he said to disbelieving tuts. "It about doing it right. Environmental incidents are rare."

By this point some in the audience wanted to hear no more. There were shouts of "you've gone on long enough" and "you're talking rubbish".

Anti-fracking campaigner Will Cottrell, chairman of the Brighton Energy Co-operative, claimed a 10-well fracking facility was "like setting off a 4.4 kilotonne nuclear bomb". Cuadrilla said this was untrue, but the hall was in foment.

"You are in Sussex now and we will not be drove [pushed around]," shouted Alan Gold, 67.

"If you put fracking fluid down there at 10,000 pounds per square inch it is going to disturb our drinking water," yelled another man. "Go away!"

"Frack 'em and forget 'em, isn't it?" said a voice from the back. "It's all about the money."

"This is how they burn witches I guess," Paul Kelly, a director of PPS, Cuadrilla's public relations and lobbying firm told the Guardian. "I can think of dozens of oil companies who wouldn't put themselves through this in a million years and maybe they have it right."

"It has been pretty disastrous," added Nick Grealy, a former gas executive who promotes the shale gas industry for clients including Cuadrilla. "They were set up."

For many residents this was the first they had heard of the plans and they voiced worries about the millions of gallons of water needed for the operation in a drought-affected area, and noise and water pollution. Two young women spoke about their fears that fracking would hinder their recovery from cancer.

Miller said the fracking technology used in the UK was designed to prevent pollution of water courses. He repeatedly said the well was only at exploration stage and that a further licence would be needed for extraction. He said the chemical used in the fracking solution was not carcinogenic.

Just one resident, retired Rod Jago, spoke up in Miller's defence. "Surely we should welcome any contribution to self-sufficiency provided it is safe," he said to gasps of disbelief from some of his neighbours. "All new technologies have teething problems. We wouldn't have trains or aeroplanes if we had meetings like this when they started."

A spokesman for Cuadrilla, whose backers include former BP chief executive Lord Browne, said said it was pleased to have been allowed the platform. "We couldn't answer all the questions and there was a great deal of confusion about some of the claims that were being made about America," he said. "In the European Union there are some very rigorous controls on groundwater pollution."
 




Dr Q

Well-known member
Jul 29, 2004
1,806
Cobbydale
I wonder how many "antis" drove to the meeting in their petrol burning cars and then went home and turned their gas fired central heating on, as well as using electricity from oil or gas powered generating stations.

Conventional oil and gas reserves globally are dwindlling and their is a huge amount of potential locked up in shale gas and oil which will have to be realised in the absence of any other viable large scale renewable energy sources.

There are certain environmental issues with hydraulic fracc'ing, but the US stories are significantly overhyped (as ever!).
 


Albumen

Don't wait for me!
Jan 19, 2010
11,495
Brighton - In your face
I wonder how many "antis" drove to the meeting in their petrol burning cars and then went home and turned their gas fired central heating on, as well as using electricity from oil or gas powered generating stations.

Conventional oil and gas reserves globally are dwindlling and their is a huge amount of potential locked up in shale gas and oil which will have to be realised in the absence of any other viable large scale renewable energy sources.

There are certain environmental issues with hydraulic fracc'ing, but the US stories are significantly overhyped (as ever!).

There are, which is why there are debates like this.
 


CheeseRolls

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Jan 27, 2009
6,016
Shoreham Beach
The process of extracting gas from Shale appears to be a major economic success for the USA. Domestic gas prices have halved over the last 2 years, largely due to the extra capacity this has bought to the market.

We do have considerable reserves of shale gas in this country and it is not clear that the same economic rules would apply. For example the regulatory framework in Europe is more stringent than in the US. We are also looking at higher levels of population density and can not dismiss the carbon impact of burning more gas.

All told I think the debate needs to happen at a higher level than in a village hall. It sounds like they may be preparing a wicker man for the next visit of these heretics
 


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I watched a programme about this fracking. It pollutes the water and people have even been able to set light to their taps. Is this just hype? I don't trust companies in the UK, let alone from the US. Don't worry thou this big company will get what they want eventually., they always do. The people of Newhaven never wanted the incinerator, yet it still got built. The people of Peacehaven never wanted the new poo plant but it still got built. One thing I will say about the poo plant, it does not stick out like sore thumb. The incinerator can be seen for bloody miles.

People wanted a football stadium for Brighton & Hove Albion, everyone said yes and the council said NO, but we won.

 
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CheeseRolls

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Jan 27, 2009
6,016
Shoreham Beach
I watched a programme about this fracking. It pollutes the water and people have even been able to set light to their taps. Is this just hype? I don't trust companies in the UK, let alone from the US. Don't worry thou this big company will get what they want eventually., they always do. The people of Newhaven never wanted the incinerator, yet it still got built. The people of Peacehaven never wanted the new poo plant but it still got built.



If someone builds a house in the wilderness in the States that is miles from the nearest small town, do you think they wait around for a water company to connect them up ? I would love to pay what the guy in the video pays for his water rates e.g. nothing, but not sure I want the hassle of ensuring my water supply remains uncontaminated. I am afraid for me this gets filed under Luddite bollocks
 




ROSM

Well-known member
Dec 26, 2005
6,360
Just far enough away from LDC
Albumen;4628869"You are in Sussex now and we will not be drove [pushed around said:
," shouted Alan Gold, 67.

I believe Alan used to post on NSC in a former life. Also a former regular on the Harty phone in.
 


Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
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Oct 27, 2003
21,188
The arse end of Hangleton
I struggle to believe that pumping gallons of chemicals into the earth would ever be safe for the environment.
 


BLOCK F

Well-known member
Feb 26, 2009
6,406
Usual over the top reaction from the noisy brigade.
Lots of hysteria making it impossible to have an informed rational discussion.
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,425
I watched a programme about this fracking. It pollutes the water and people have even been able to set light to their taps. Is this just hype?

i can certainly understand the risk, but i recal that one documented case of buring water turned out to be hundreds of miles from any fracking, and caused by unrelated gas leak. i think the debate has become too contaminated now, we'll never really know the truth, oil companies will say its fine, hypocritical internet warriors will tell us it the end of civilisation.

I struggle to believe that pumping gallons of chemicals into the earth would ever be safe for the environment.

They use water as i understand it.
 


KZNSeagull

Well-known member
Nov 26, 2007
20,028
Wolsingham, County Durham
Lots of debate here about it too - they want to frack in the Karoo and in the Drakensberg mountains! The government has stopped the granting of all fracking licences until a full environmental impact report has been done.
 






Mutts Nuts

New member
Oct 30, 2011
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The process of extracting gas from Shale appears to be a major economic success for the USA. Domestic gas prices have halved over the last 2 years, largely due to the extra capacity this has bought to the market.

We do have considerable reserves of shale gas in this country and it is not clear that the same economic rules would apply. For example the regulatory framework in Europe is more stringent than in the US. We are also looking at higher levels of population density and can not dismiss the carbon impact of burning more gas.

All told I think the debate needs to happen at a higher level than in a village hall. It sounds like they may be preparing a wicker man for the next visit of these heretics

We will only give it all to europe for nothing
 




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