Nigel Farage MEP v Russell Brand - Question Time BBC1 22:35 *** Official Match Thread ***

[vegster]

There is still quite a long time til the election and i'm sure there will be plenty more cock ups by all 4 parties along the way but it does seem that UKIP tend to have more of the better ones.

As Farage always says now " You vote UKIP, you get UKIP ! " could be fantastic if they did win the election, a once in a lifetime disaster.

 

[daveinprague]

But do you believe that if you vote UKIP that you become a racist by default?

Not sure I said that. What I said was, UKIP has attracted substantial racist support.

 

[Tony Towner's Fridge]

'I'm coming for you Farage..........'

I think you will find that this was a statement of sexual gratification not a threat of violence.

TNBA

TTF

 

[JCL666]

Apologies. I meant the sentence about 13,000 to 700,000 not what you are referring to. I accept what you say, of course, and most people presumably would do the same, notably look for facts, logic etc etc. I wonder how many people actually go a variety of sources for their info, rather than just the usual reading material that coincides with their views. After a lifetime of Listening to "experts" in education, I am very wary of analysis work done by "experts". On this theme, I shan't look at the link -I usually do folk the courtesy of reading the link, but have got fed up with simply reading the bias that suites the post. No offence meant. As to whether UKIP have a coherent policy or not on non EU migration -are you totally sure of this?

You should check the spectator link. It actually is in line with what you have said (EU vs Non EU migration).

As for their policy on non EU immigration. No they have not set out their policy.

They simply state

"UKIP recognises the benefits of limited, controlled immigration"

Which we already have for non EU applicants. The level at which it is enforced/monitored etc could be questioned.

 

[5mins-from-amex]

Not sure I said that. What I said was, UKIP has attracted substantial racist support.

Like I said, if I decide to vote UKIP then do I become a racist by association?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

But do you believe that if you vote UKIP that you become a racist by default?

Don't matter either way with him , he's got a huge chip on his shoulder that he can't shift on the subject so yes we're all racists
regards
DR

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Not sure I said that. What I said was, UKIP has attracted substantial racist support.

You didn't say that but you've completely avoided the question.

 

[daveinprague]

Like I said, if I decide to vote UKIP then do I become a racist by association?

Maybe I would question who I was aligning myself with.
When I see UKIP supporters try to denigrate a UKIP candidate, over a relationship with the UKIP Gen Sec, using a the candidates FORMER name, which happens to be asian, then yes, i would be a bit suspicious about who I was mixing with.


''Just look back at my previous posts, the quotes re text messages sent to Roger Bird from the ex Labour formerly Miss Ahmed'

 

[5mins-from-amex]

Maybe I would question who I was aligning myself with.
When I see UKIP supporters try to denigrate a UKIP candidate, over a relationship with the UKIP Gen Sec, using a the candidates FORMER name, which happens to be asian, then yes, i would be a bit suspicious about who I was mixing with.


''Just look back at my previous posts, the quotes re text messages sent to Roger Bird from the ex Labour formerly Miss Ahmed'

Come on a simple yes or no will do.

 

[daveinprague]

Don't matter either way with him , he's got a huge chip on his shoulder that he can't shift on the subject so yes we're all racists
regards
DR

No chip on my shoulder. There is no reason for me to have a chip on my shoulder. UKIP supporters seem to have the entire potato.

 

[daveinprague]

Come on a simple yes or no will do.

No, because, ive never said such a thing.
Want to start again?
Ive consistantly said, UKIP has attracted substantial racist support. To deny that would be disingenous in the extreme.

 

[1234andcounting]

Yes you're agenda that you believe that UKIP is racist, you know that is why here previous was mentioned.

your is the possessive. you're is the present tense of the verb to be.....

FFS

 

[daveinprague]

So, when denigrating this woman, by pointing out her former political affiliations, and race, it was just to show people how silly racism was? haha...yeah ok mate...

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

No chip on my shoulder. There is no reason for me to have a chip on my shoulder. UKIP supporters seem to have the entire potato.

the day you come back to blighty will be they day I may cut you some slack ,untill then you' re just an outsider with irrelevent comments on things that have nowt to do with you
regards
DR

 

[daveinprague]

the day you come back to blighty will be they day I may cut you some slack ,untill then you' re just an outsider with irrelevent comments on things that have nowt to do with you
regards
DR

Yeah, because everybody on this board cares about what you think.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

You see as soon as you roll out the ' ukip are racist ' card you loss all credibility in any debate.

I won't be voting UKIP, but I have to agree with that.

On last night's programme, the Labour MP admitted that in Government they had make huge mistakes regarding immigration, and the numbers of Eastern Europeans that they anticipated coming to the UK

Milliband and Cameron have both said it's not wrong to be concerned about immigration.

Yet when Farage says he wants controlled immigration, he gets called a racist.

They all claim to want 'controlled' immigration, however without leaving Europe that's impossible. (Something I personally don't want to happen)

As I say, I won't be voting UKIP, as there are far too many of their policies that I don't agree with, however I think it's wrong to brand their supporters racists. The working class person has seen downward pressure on wages, more competition for jobs, together with an increase in pressure on local services/housing etc., and to say that none of that is caused by mass immigration is IMO wrong.

 

[5mins-from-amex]

No, because, ive never said such a thing.
Want to start again?
Ive consistantly said, UKIP has attracted substantial racist support. To deny that would be disingenous in the extreme.

Ok so when you say substantial what kind of % would you put on that? of the 40000 people who have just voted for UKIP in the by elections how many are racist? half? more?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/express-owner-desmond-hands-300k-to-ukip-101862

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yeah, because everybody on this board cares about what you think.

Another ironic post dave , you carry on chap, have a great weekend
regards
DR

 

[5mins-from-amex]

I won't be voting UKIP, but I have to agree with that.

On last night's programme, the Labour MP admitted that in Government they had make huge mistakes regarding immigration, and the numbers of Eastern Europeans that they anticipated coming to the UK

Milliband and Cameron have both said it's not wrong to be concerned about immigration.

Yet when Farage says he wants controlled immigration, he gets called a racist.

They all claim to want 'controlled' immigration, however without leaving Europe that's impossible. (Something I personally don't want to happen)

As I say, I won't be voting UKIP, as there are far too many of their policies that I don't agree with, however I think it's wrong to brand their supporters racists. The working class person has seen downward pressure on wages, more competition for jobs, together with an increase in pressure on local services/housing etc., and to say that none of that is caused by mass immigration is IMO wrong.

Good post, but do you think that without UKIP and Farage that both Milliband and Cameron would have publicly stated that we need to get more control on immigration in this country?