[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[TomandJerry]

Well the argument to keep him going is that introducing the death penalty is incredibly difficult to do without ignoring the huge mistakes made by the legal system.

The difficulty in making sure it is both appropriate and the judical system being absolutely sure they have the right person far out weighs the benefits.

Add into this the morality of taking a life in return for taking a life and you can only draw the conclusion that on balance it is a poor idea.

Unless you can add some benefits to that side of the ledger?

It's just difficult, because you could make a case for that certain individual.

But I do understand your points, and if ever put to a referendum I hugely doubt the majority would vote it in

 

[Pevenseagull]

And a dog won Britain's Got Talent.

In fairness it was talented.... Probably

 

[Pevenseagull]

At risk of derailing the last 4 pages of the argument, the ECHR isn't the reason why the death penalty was abolished. The death penalty was suspended in 1965 and later formally abolished without being reintroduced, and it was done by Act of Parliament.

There seems to be a belief that all our human rights are given by the ECHR and without them we would have nothing. We would be back to 1214 where the King has absolute power. This is not the case - certain of our human rights, eg. habeas corpus, are not even now part of the ECHR. France, for example, can keep crime suspects banged up without charge for years.

The UK for centuries has developed a human rights code that works. Even without the ECHR, it would work again.

1 Yes

2 good point

3 nah, the 'UK's centuries of successful human rights code ain't a thing

 

[Pevenseagull]

With regards the ECHR, the 2 European countries that are no longer members/ observant are Belarus and Russia.

I would like to live in a country that observes and legislates human rights in line with the countries that aren't reigned over by Putin.


I'm a bit picky about that kind of thing.


I reckon he's a bit dodgy.


I'm probably being spectacularly naive here.

 

[darkwolf666]

Do you consider Japan as a civilised country?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68090388

In this instance, no. Clearly having the death penalty isn’t a deterrent there either, as 98 prisoners have been executed since 2000 and another 107 are currently on death row! So it’s purely about revenge dressed as justice.

It’s funny, you used the often biblical quote* “eye for an eye”, but yet happily ignore the Sixth Commandment, thou shalt not kill… see, even the bible realises you can’t have it both ways.


* I am aware that eye for an eye predates the bible by several centuries!