Again, how can capitalism be “woke”? Do words not matter anymore or something?
[News] Nigel Farage and Reform
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TomandJerry
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I've been doing fairly well, I think -And, yet again you've come up with "quotes" with completely no reference to where they are from. And, yet again when you don't give sources, it's complete and utter bollocks.
Councils don't decide where council pensions are invested, it's generally a Pensions Committee which normally has significant employee representation on it.
I'm still with you being a troll as I don't believe it's possible, even for a reform supporter, to be as stupid as you appear
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/p...farage-promises-war-on-woke-council-pensions/
326 plus seats in England and Wales, with Scotland SNP/Labour. I know a lot of people through work, a true cross section unlike nsc, I only know 4 potential Reform voters. I do know quite a few folk who voted Leave in 2016 who regret it, across various age groups.
I can’t see where Reform would win 326 overall majorities. Our huge metropolitan areas are anything but Reform.
TomandJerry
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Lazy journalism- anything you don’t like is ‘woke’.
overused and overhyped to discredit its original meaning.
overused and overhyped to discredit its original meaning.
When you say 'decency', I think you mean 'going back on his word that he wouldn't step down even if the referendum went for Brexit'.
TomandJerry
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I didn't think Kent would vote for Reform
With 31% of the vote share in the recent elections I wouldn't be so sure
TomandJerry
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No choice, not sure the men in grey suits would have let him continue, and to be honest I'm not sure he was prepared to go start negotiating from a Remain starting point
darkwolf666
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As I did earlier, with regards the "11 million not working" strand of this thread, I would like to give a bit of fill to the fluff of the "government waste" conversation*...
I used to work for The Met as an intelligence analyst, but resigned in 2013, due largely to the travel the service was going, due to "backroom cuts".
Politicians, like Mr. Farage appear to believe that anyone who isn't working on the front-line are a non-productive wastes of space, and are waste, to be cut, whereas in reality they do A LOT of unseen work that keeps the wheels turning.
Try getting anenhanced DBS check done and you will quickly find out those backroom staff were doing something, after all... Stage 4 police checks are the stumbling block as there aren't the backroom staff to cover this stage of the process...
crbdirect.org.uk
*It's oh so easy to talk about cutting waste, without actually understanding the processes or what the supposed wasteful people actually do.
I used to work for The Met as an intelligence analyst, but resigned in 2013, due largely to the travel the service was going, due to "backroom cuts".
Politicians, like Mr. Farage appear to believe that anyone who isn't working on the front-line are a non-productive wastes of space, and are waste, to be cut, whereas in reality they do A LOT of unseen work that keeps the wheels turning.
Try getting anenhanced DBS check done and you will quickly find out those backroom staff were doing something, after all... Stage 4 police checks are the stumbling block as there aren't the backroom staff to cover this stage of the process...
Delays Growing in DBS Check Processing
Delays are increasing with DBS Check Processing. We explain what is causing the delays, and what you can do to speed things up.
crbdirect.org.uk
*It's oh so easy to talk about cutting waste, without actually understanding the processes or what the supposed wasteful people actually do.
I didn't think Kent would vote for Reform
With 31% of the vote share in the recent elections I wouldn't be so sure View attachment 201832
Kent, Essex, Lincs, rural Cambridgeshire strong Brexit vote. No surprise to the likes of John Curtice, I posted about on nsc a week before the local elections.
darkwolf666
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I feel embarassed to be a citizen of the KCC area...
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You should really read your own sources before quoting them
Reform is projected to have at least one councillor on committees that together control more than £100bn in assets, of which £30bn is estimated to be overseen by committees where the party’s councillors will hold a majority of seats.
That's definitely going to influence Pension committees made up of councillors, council officials and employees
If you don't want people to think Reform voters are stupid, stop saying stupid things.
Or maybe troll someone else
And just between you and me, I think 'they' are onto you. Maybe keep your head down for a bit
TomandJerry
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BJ won huge in the 2019 general election on the promise of Brexit, though.
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darkwolf666
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That is a very good question.
However benefits are paid on a needs basis.
For example if benefits are related to health they may be worth more than minimum wage. That's fine by me.
My current health interventions probably cost more than the minimum wage.
That's how taxes are taken at times when the benefits may be low,
and benefits (such as free NHS treatment) paid at times of need.
That's socialism.
There should be no option for people to decide whether to work or receive benefits.
If you are fit to work and work is available.....
In any case this is by and large how it works now.
There is an issue with sicknoting (which I see at uni with mitigating circumstances extension requests),
but this could be tweaked.
I don't accept any narrative that most people on benefits are on benefits because they get more via benefits than they would get on a minimum wage job.
The thing that bugs me is the sudden appearance of income tax above a random income threshold.
If we were all taxed at the same % then nobody would be pissing about trying to keep income below thresholds.
KZNSeagull
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A 31% vote share on a turnout of approx 35% (which equates to approx 11% of the total electorate). I doubt that Reform would get 31% on a turnout of over 60%.I didn't think Kent would vote for Reform
With 31% of the vote share in the recent elections I wouldn't be so sure View attachment 201832
Barnet Seagull
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Yes. "least worst". That's not my narrative (and not in any way what I think) but that's absolutely what I hear. The level of disdain for the traditional parties and their inability to deliver a fairer, functional society can not be ignored. They've all had years to fix it. None of them have.
"Reform" is the important point and it isn't going away. They know they want change.
I know it is anathema to many who are invested in politics and making the world a better place but fundamentally to many, they are tired and the specifics of 'how' change happens are becoming secondary to the simple need for it to happen.
clapham_gull
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Having been there it doesn't surprise me.