[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[birthofanorange]

We left the EU and are forced to make deals where we can.

How people can't see through him and his ridiculous 'arguments' astounds me. His pet 'Brexit' put us here....now he blames the situation elsewhere.
It's laughable.

 

[TomandJerry]

You've gotta think labour have just made a complete balls up of their communication of the deal. Because on the face of it , it looks absolutely horrendous !! You would imagine the 3 years free NI will apply to jobs that actually need workers.

Well that's what I was thinking. GP's, NHS dentist's, skilled labour etc.

 

[TomandJerry]

But as you correctly pointed out, it does

Thank you for bringing me round full circle.

I was neck deep in previous Conservative lines, Sunak referring to it as a foreign court etc.

 

[Eeyore]

I do not like Farage but this Indian deals timing is perfection for Reform....can't really disagree with too much of what he's saying in this instance.

If we take what he says at face value, then it is hard to disagree. But I'm not sure we know the full facts and what the bartering has done for the UK's advantage. So we can't really comment. Unless we have read the whole thing- and understood it.

It's worth noting that the previous government were negotiating this deal too. There's a lot of people involved.

 

[WATFORD zero]

If we take what he says at face value, then it is hard to disagree. But I'm not sure we know the full facts and what the bartering has done for the UK's advantage. So we can't really comment. Unless we have read the whole thing- and understood it.

It's worth noting that the previous government were negotiating this deal too. There's a lot of people involved.

That's because, as a completely independent minor economic nation in the 21st century world of mega powers and economic blocs, we are in a piss poor situation to desperately try to negotiate trade deals to replace that big one we threw away and have to take what we can get.

I wonder why that is and who campaigned for years to put us in that position

 

[TomandJerry]

That's because, as a completely independent minor economic nation in the 21st century world of mega powers and economic blocs, we are in a piss poor situation to desperately try to negotiate trade deals to replace that big one we threw away and have to take what we can get.

I wonder why that is and who campaigned for years to put us in that position

Farage, Boris Johnson etc

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You've gotta think labour have just made a complete balls up of their communication of the deal. Because on the face of it , it looks absolutely horrendous !! You would imagine the 3 years free NI will apply to jobs that actually need workers.

The Indians will pay IHS fees instead of NI. Immigration and Health Service fees.

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Good old Nige, with his half truths,

 

[Pavilionaire]

Brexit was not carried out by the governments...

A dubious claim. And what is your version of Brexit that would have improved our economy?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Farage, Boris Johnson etc

Very few things I won't give a try in life, Voting for Fascists, engaging with trolls, eating yellow snow

 

[TomandJerry]

A dubious claim. And what is your version of Brexit that would have improved our economy?

Single market / customs union membership

 

[clapham_gull]

I think Canada is one of those countries and 25% of Toronto's population is now south Asian !!

No Dwayne, WE already have this arrangement with other countries.

 

[Bodian]

If ECHR is to be removed (again, unlikely at the moment) then I'd fully expect and hope a British bill of human rights to be implemented instead of losing all our rights currently granted by the ECHR.

What benefits have you identified that would accrue from having our own bill of human rights as opposed to the ECHR? That is - what bits of the ECHR would you get rid of, and what bits would you keep?

 

[Guinness Boy]

You've gotta think labour have just made a complete balls up of their communication of the deal. Because on the face of it , it looks absolutely horrendous !! You would imagine the 3 years free NI will apply to jobs that actually need workers.

Someone’s worried about an influx of cheap project managers.

 

[Bodian]

And I'm trying to get better at quoting sources

When you read an online article your want to quote from, go to the top bar - highlight the address like this.

Then go to your post, and click CTRL-V together - and it inserts the hyperlink.

It's quite easy.

 

[TomandJerry]

When you read an online article your want to quote from, go to the top bar - highlight the address like this.
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Then go to your post, and click CTRL-V together - and it inserts the hyperlink.

It's quite easy.

It's more force of habit - it's not something I've ever really done, which is no excuse.

 

[TomandJerry]

What benefits have you identified that would accrue from having our own bill of human rights as opposed to the ECHR? That is - what bits of the ECHR would you get rid of, and what bits would you keep?

Stories like this:

Lynthia Calliste was due to be deported to Grenada after she and her son overstayed their six-month visitor visa.

However, Calliste argued deporting her would separate her from her husband, violating Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights - the right to a family life.

The Home Office disputed this, saying Vinakovs had every right to join her in Grenada.

Calliste said he “would be unable to tolerate the cuisine in Grenada” and “worries about the heat” due to it being much warmer than the UK and his native Latvia.

Judge Mark Blundell dismissed her appeal in November but she has remained in the UK, exhausting all stages of appeal"

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/mum-a...ibbean-claiming-her-husband-doesnt-like-food/

l.

 

[dwayne]

Someone’s worried about an influx of cheap project managers.

Maybe if I was still a contractor yes indeed ! Previous governments have killed that as well. Dubai is calling for me.

 

[dwayne]

No Dwayne, WE already have this arrangement with other countries.

So we have an agreement with other countries that they can ship in workers and don't need to pay NI for 3 years ?

What countries ?

 

[A1X]

Stories like this:

Lynthia Calliste was due to be deported to Grenada after she and her son overstayed their six-month visitor visa.

However, Calliste argued deporting her would separate her from her husband, violating Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights - the right to a family life.

The Home Office disputed this, saying Vinakovs had every right to join her in Grenada.

Calliste said he “would be unable to tolerate the cuisine in Grenada” and “worries about the heat” due to it being much warmer than the UK and his native Latvia.

Judge Mark Blundell dismissed her appeal in November but she has remained in the UK, exhausting all stages of appeal"

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/mum-a...ibbean-claiming-her-husband-doesnt-like-food/

l.

So you want deportations without recourse to due process?

To El Salvador, perhaps?

 

[TomandJerry]

So you want deportations without recourse to due process?

To El Salvador, perhaps?

No, but if you over stay a visa you have no right to be in the country you are visiting and should be deported - if not then what's the point in visa's?