[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Muzzman]

Well none of them seem to be willing and able to explain Andrea Jenkins' speech so I wouldn't hold out any hopes.

Perhaps wrestling with the conundrum that, if Reform take us back to an England that's pre Social Media, the back to fronts will cease to exist and we'll be back to Kilroy-Silk embarrassing himself on BBC2.

Share or Shaft.

 

[chip]

In which case it feels it might be time for politicians to encourage more people to have babies because with our historically low birth rate we are going to need even more immigrants. Unfortunately for years people have said “if you can’t afford babies then don’t have them” - now they are not. So who the heck are going to be the workers when current 45 year olds reach retirement age?

Who are going to be the carers? We won’t have people to do the caring jobs and when grown up children can look after elderly parents they won’t be able to because they could not afford to have kids.

Lincolnshire is an interesting example. My cousin now runs the family farm on the fens. He could not get local people to work the land despite paying good wages - people just dossed about and expected to be paid. He ended up having to get Europeans in. Since Brexit he has gone 100% combinable because now he has no one to work on the farm. Locals didn’t want the jobs. A classic example of people just running along with the pied piper telling them it is someone else taking their jobs. Scary times

I really wish people would learn the difference between illegal migration and asylum seekers entering the country. I expect the well informed reform voters could explain to us all.

One more point - this all reminds me of my old man ranting about how he went to hospital and all the staff who helped him were all from different countries. He could not answer when I said who would be helping him if it was not immigrants. Mad.

You made me wonder who voted Reform and why, so I went and looked. Those are not my views, I was just reporting what I found. All good questions above.

I just read this in The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...088a65239d0572#block-6814c6c98f088a65239d0572

and on finding I generally agreed with it, looked up who John Mcdonnell is - that was a surprise. I'm ambivalent to political parties in general, I think most people are. However, if I voted labour I don't think McDonnell would have given me a sufficient reason to vote Reform.

Let's hope that at least some of these new councillors try and work in the best interests of all their residents (including those who can't vote).

 

[chip]

Just a thought, but some of the shock and horror expressed on this thread suggests that maybe Brighton and Hove and London is not very representative of the rest of England and Wales? You might want to start preparing yourselves for what is going to happen in 2029 or earlier or you may not cope very well. Perhaps stop watching the BBC and reading the Guardian as a starter for this therapy?

A good point and I would give your post a like. Unfortunately, I just found myself agreeing with John McDonnell in The Guardian on this thread.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Just a thought, but some of the shock and horror expressed on this thread suggests that maybe Brighton and Hove and London is not very representative of the rest of England and Wales? You might want to start preparing yourselves for what is going to happen in 2029 or earlier or you may not cope very well. Perhaps stop watching the BBC and reading the Guardian as a starter for this therapy?

Just a thought, all these inexperienced councillors will actually have to show they know something about running a council, and by 2029, people will realise their local councils are a mess.

 

[abc]

Farage’s teachers raised worries about him while he was at school about his fascist views. He was proud of it when younger. What part of his behaviour recently makes you think he is no longer a racist?

He is a racist, no doubt at all and I didn’t suggest he wasn’t. But I hope I am right in thinking not to the extent of Hitler who was responsible for murdering millions of Jews and gypsies.
Not defending Farage, merely not agreeing with the comparison to Hitler

 

[WATFORD zero]

What are these reasons? Please share. I have not seen anyone able to explain yet. What is it people think Reform will deliver in these local areas? (Bear in mind that Runcorn and Lincolnshire have basically sod all muslims).

I think I know why more people are voting for Reform and the reasons go back a good 70+ years. Back in the 50's people started to use fire guards to stop children falling into the old open fires that most households had. There was no doubt that this was very successful and ensured that far more children made it to adulthood. The success of this then started a whole lot of other measures to protect the young.

Stair guards to stop children falling downstairs, safety caps on bleach, oven cleaner etc and the new revised health and safety playgrounds with rubber matting under the slide ensuring that any child incapable of climbing the few steps up the slide, would still survive happily to adulthood and breed, regardless. And this is where the problems started coming in. Although lots more children were now surviving, in was in complete opposition to Darwin's Law of natural selection.

Instead of bright kids surviving through the positive traits of natural selection, stupid ones were making it to breeding age as well. A couple more generations of devolution and here we are

You just have to listen to Vox pops on the radio or TV



It's Fire Guards that started it

 

[WATFORD zero]

Just a thought, but some of the shock and horror expressed on this thread suggests that maybe Brighton and Hove and London is not very representative of the rest of England and Wales? You might want to start preparing yourselves for what is going to happen in 2029 or earlier or you may not cope very well. Perhaps stop watching the BBC and reading the Guardian as a starter for this therapy?

I hate to be repetitive but what were the actual policies that sold Reform to you ?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Fantastic results seeing the voice of reason and decency REFORM UK winning all over the country (just a real shame we haven't had the opportunity to further vote them in Sussex and SE). Well done Nigel Farage. The best PM this country hasnt had.........................YET!

Did you vote Reform in the last election? Or did you have a last minute illness which meant you were so poorly could not raise a pencil to vote?

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

He is a racist, no doubt at all and I didn’t suggest he wasn’t. But I hope I am right in thinking not to the extent of Hitler who was responsible for murdering millions of Jews and gypsies.
Not defending Farage, merely not agreeing with the comparison to Hitler

It took over 9 years after being in power to get that far.

Farage has already disparaged autistic children accusing parents of getting diagnoses via Zoom from the local GP. He has said he wants to reduce spending on SEND.

 

[Cordwainer]

In slightly closer to home news looks like KCC has just gone Reform.

 

[A1X]

Just a thought, but some of the shock and horror expressed on this thread suggests that maybe Brighton and Hove and London is not very representative of the rest of England and Wales? You might want to start preparing yourselves for what is going to happen in 2029 or earlier or you may not cope very well. Perhaps stop watching the BBC and reading the Guardian as a starter for this therapy?

I doubt anyone is shocked, I know I'm not

However given that Labour won a massive General Election victory last year I don't really understand why this logic doesn't also mean that the areas voting yesterday aren't just as atypical of the UK as a whole as Sussex is?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I hate to be repetitive but what were the actual policies that sold Reform to you ?

Good luck getting an answer, from any of them posting here.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Just a thought, but some of the shock and horror expressed on this thread suggests that maybe Brighton and Hove and London is not very representative of the rest of England and Wales? You might want to start preparing yourselves for what is going to happen in 2029 or earlier or you may not cope very well. Perhaps stop watching the BBC and reading the Guardian as a starter for this therapy?

Just a thought but to win a GE Farage will have to find over 600 credible candidates who’ve managed to keep a relatively clean social media presence and don’t dribble into their soup and win over Scotland, London, the South West and places like Brighton.

Good luck with that.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Just a thought, but some of the shock and horror expressed on this thread suggests that maybe Brighton and Hove and London is not very representative of the rest of England and Wales?

I've just looked through the last 8 pages of this thread, and checked the stated locations of the posters who have expressed negative views toward Farage / Reform.

4 are in Brighton and Hove
None are in London


4 are in Sussex outside of B&H
3 are in the West Country
4 are in the North of England
1 in Hampshire
1 in Kent
1 in Wales
2 are overseas

 

[Ding Dong !]

Wow all the far left lovies on here really are losing their

Are you not surprised at the results of the local elections....under this current Govt ?

 

[Bodian]

I've just looked through the last 8 pages of this thread, and checked the stated locations of the posters who have expressed negative views toward Farage / Reform.

4 are in Brighton and Hove
None are in London


4 are in Sussex outside of B&H
3 are in the West Country
4 are in the North of England
1 in Hampshire
1 in Kent
1 in Wales
2 are overseas

Ah - but we have brought our Brighton tolerances with us!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Just a thought, but some of the shock and horror expressed on this thread suggests that maybe Brighton and Hove and London is not very representative of the rest of England and Wales? You might want to start preparing yourselves for what is going to happen in 2029 or earlier or you may not cope very well. Perhaps stop watching the BBC and reading the Guardian as a starter for this therapy?

Why stop watching, listening to an reading the few places that you are not going to get fed a diet of lies and but can read and see common sense?

I had a colleague thirty years ago who said that the Daily Mail was the most dangerous paper there is because people actually believe what they read in it!

 

[birthofanorange]

Wow all the far left lovies on here really are losing their

Are you not surprised at the results of the local elections....under this current Govt ?

Not really surprised, nor worried either. I'm quite looking forward to the inevitable chaos and failings of the Reform councils, along with the likely scandals and racist faux pas.
Should out a few, at the very least.

 

[A1X]

Wow all the far left lovies on here really are losing their

Are you not surprised at the results of the local elections....under this current Govt ?

Am I living in some kind of parallel universe? I don't see anyone "losing their shit" on here at all.

It's weird, all the Reform-adjacent posters seem to be thinking something that isn't happening is, namely that we're all in here wailing and gnashing our teeth rather than talking about it and generally noting that Reform are home to a lot of absolute wankers. I suppose we shouldn't be stunned at a disconnect between Reform types and reality...

But Reform have nowhere to hide now. They have serious responsibilities and can be held accountable for actual results and outcomes. The fannying around stops now, if they can't run their new councils properly then they won't be given a chance to run anything more, and indeed as we've seen previously when UKIP have achieved similar results they never went on to retain that power the next time the ballot boxes came out. Social media clips of Lee Anderson libelling Labour ministers and pictures of Farage gurning into pints won't make a jot of difference if people start seeing their local council services failing because their new Reform councils are utterly shit at running anything.

Hopefully the media might also start holding their feet to the fire properly now too, although I suspect this is unlikely.