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[News] Nigel Farage and Reform
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BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Would you like me to explain the difference between sarcasm and condescension?
- Aug 7, 2003
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1. Return illegal immigrants to France (parachutes optional)
2. Accept Putin as the greatest politician in the world and deal with him accordingly.
3. Implement Liz Truss style budgets.
4. Kiss Trump’s arse and tell him how good he is.
5. Repeat 1
It doesn't take a genius to know. What are Reform standing for? What are the Tories standing for, what are labour standing for? What are they all standing for? Who is getting the monster votes.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
That WOULD be so kind of you
nevergoagain
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not really, but thanks for the offer.
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1. 20% tax relief on private school fees
2. Insurance-based funding model for the NHS and a move to more privatised services
3. Increase stamp duty threshold to 750k
4. Only “essential immigration” because it’s working so well in so many sectors having fewer non-UK workers already
5. Dependency on imported fuels instead of working towards UK fuel independence on supply and pricing
A true “party of the people”
pocketseagull
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- Dec 29, 2014
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I'm guessing you're a Reform voter? It would help if you'd explain instead of leaving it up to other peoples imagination.
Hotchilidog
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They have not left for reform, most reform votes are Tory votes. Labour are losing votes to the Lib Dems and Greens (Labour lost a council by-election in London to the Greens yesterday). Labour will start to lose seats in London and other more cosmopolitan areas as they continue to crap all over anyone who dares show an ounce of empathy for other humans and respect for public services.
As it's so obvious perhaps you could have a go at putting some finer detail on to Andrea Jenkins' speech as it appears @bazbha has shit his pants.
Indeed. Let's tackle some of the message. Here for example are some questions for you on Andrea Jenkins' winner's speech.
1) We're going to put British people first.
How would you define British people? And does she just mean British people in Lincolnshire where she has some (limited) power or the whole country?
2) Inch by inch Reform will reset Britain back to its glorious past
When exactly was that? 14 years of Tory rule that kicked off with austerity? The late 90s and early 00s under Blair? Thatcher destroying the northern working classes in the 80s? The Winter of Discontent and joining the EEC in the 70s? The swinging 60s under Labour and the Conservatives? Rationing in the 50s? War in the 30s and 40s? Or are we going all the way back to the Victorian era or before? And what was it, do you think, that made Britain great in the era you're supposing Jenkins is returning us to?
3) Tents are good enough for migrants
Where will these tents be pitched? Will children be expected to live in them, even in the depths or winter or a storm or flood? Who is paying for these tents and who is stopping the migrants just folding them up and moving on exactly?
4) Nigel has fought for decades
Why is it you think he's fought but not won?
5) We will deliver a once in a generation change
What would you describe as the success criteria for this, and by when should she achieve it?
And finally, did you snigger when she mentioned she called her son CLIFFORD?
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Reform gain Staffordshire Council from the Tories
BadFish
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No worries, anyway, what are your favourite Reform policies and how do you see them improving things in the UK?
nevergoagain
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You're making the assumption that I'm a reform voter which is incorrect. I'm merely highlighting that just idly labelling 4m+ voters as blanket racist/thick and throwing slurs around is to not understand the thoughts of those voters (not the Reform policies just to be clear).
Indeed.
I've defended Labour since they came into power because a) they inherited a terrible mess and b) I think any responsible government should be balancing the country's budget as priority number one, in order to then be able to start raising people out of poverty, without bankrupting the rest of us.
However, I've despaired as they've chased the same populist vote that the Tories and Reform are after instead of implementing sensible, progressive policy and using at least some element of wealth tax to balance said budget.
If one good thing comes out of today it will hopefully be that Starmer stops chasing Sun headlines and attacks Farage and Reform with their unworkable policies and neo-fascist message, while starting to actually help the working class and under priviledged.
If a dyed in the wool centre lefty like me is getting fed up with it then Labour really are losing votes across the progressive network, and that should trouble them deeply, Let's hope Peter Kyle reads NSC and starts to grow the balls to tell his boss a few home truths, because if people in rural Lincolnshire have taken against Labour then, frankly, m'eh, so what. But if people in Brighton and Hove are questioning Labour's left wing credentials then they're screwed.
I just read a thing from a Reform voter saying that they voted Reform because they said Labour lied to them. They VOTED for a party who lied to them about Brexit and brought it about (or at least its preceding party).
They fail to recognise the consequences of voting for Brexit, they fail to attribute the problems from it to the correct people (Farage, Reform and the a Tory party) and instead blame Labour for not fixing what’s broken in less than a f***ing year.
They get viewed as all the things in your post because frankly, they consistently display that they are those things. There’s no logic in pretending to care that Labour lied when you clearly don’t care that Farage and Reform have lied too.
It’s not patronising or condescending when those people are constantly displaying their ignorance, lack of logic or rational thinking. It’s more condescending to actually not just acknowledge that and say that you take stupid actions that are harmful to yourself and vote in idiotic parties, simply because you think people have been mean to you online.
Metaphoric tent, Shirley?
BadFish
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Yet here we are on a thread that could be used by those very same voters to celebrate and share their thoughts with the wider population.
Such thoughts are, as far as I can see, conspicuous by their absence.
Maybe I am doing them a disservice, and I am more than willing to be proven wrong. Feel free to point me to the sensible, erudite and thoughtful reform voters (or even politicians), and I will read what they have to say with an open mind.
At this stage, though, from what I have seen so far, you have to be a bit dim to be taken in by Farage and the rest of them.
Tory then. You must be biting your fist with embarrassment at their inability to lay a glove on Starmer.
nevergoagain
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Ex-Tory. I'm homeless at present, they are all twats. Not biting my fist at anything Starmer seems to be doing a great job of pissing off millions on his own, Kemi is a nobody and Farage will do something even more stupid before too long.
TomandJerry
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Reform has taken control of Staffordshire, winning it over from Conservative control