New Worthing ale house to open.

[Worried Man Blues]

As I said all rents were signed by the tenants/ lessees, there was of course arbitration. I presume your rent increase went from tenancy to lease? if not why sign for such an increase? Unless you were under rented on £13,600.

Unfortunately most didnt have a choice in the late 80s it started with INntrepeneur who said your new rent will be
X amount sign the agreement or leave within 6 months. I was heavily involved with NAIL ( National Association of INtrepeneur Lesees) which was formed try to protect lessees. We had many examples of bNkruptcy and even suicide through these university trained whizz kids. Typically my rent with Watneys increased from £13600 pa to £36400 when it came under the rule of Inntrepeneur and this was typical of many publicans businesses.

 

[Stat Brother]

I believe the nightmare of pub ownership is all explained here, by Private Eye:-

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/eyeplayer/play-324

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It is ironical that these small places keep opening but traditional pubs are closing at the rate of 10 a week nationally could it be down to the size of the premises and the overheads involved with rent etc.

My take is that these places cater for a slightly different customer to more traditional pubs. Most dedicated real ale/craft pubs don't do food, have games or TVs and have heavily rotating selections of different styles and literally just beer ie no spirits. I always felt there was a huge vacuum between real ale pubs and the more commercial lager type pubs with sports and it's now being filled

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

And good luck to these guys. Hope it works out. I had the pleasure of visiting the one near the station a few months back and if it's anywhere as good as that it will be a success.

 

[Pembury]

Thats now 3 micro pubs in Worthing.. Can only be a good thing. Had great couple of pints of Arbor Summit IPA in Brookstead the othe other night.

 

[The Clamp]

Lovely little ale and cider house in Shoreham, off the high st, Church Rd (?).

 

[Pembury]

Lovely little ale and cider house in Shoreham, off the high st, Church Rd (?).

Old Star Ale and Cider House. Havnt been yet but its on my radar!

 

[BensGrandad]

As I said all rents were signed by the tenants/ lessees, there was of course arbitration. I presume your rent increase went from tenancy to lease? if not why sign for such an increase? Unless you were under rented on £13,600.

Mine was an old Watney 5 year tenancy that went over to a lease with the demise of Watney Coombe Reid and yes there was arbitration their view was that either I singed the new lease or left as the tenancy expired. If I was honest I would say the rent was slightly under valued so I expected an increase possibly to £16k ish but not to in excess of £34k that was exorbitant. The leases also contained an upwards only rent review every 12 months. Eventually the pub was sold to a private company who charged a succession of tenants a lower rent than the previous as they went broke and eventually closed the pub with the latest man paying £12k a year. It is now 6 flats.

 

[Worthingite]

Well, on the plus side from that, The Castle at the bottom of Broadwater Bridge is re-opening in a months time & staying as an Ale House.

Really pleased for this, though I'm sure the chap from Anchored had some involvement in trying to re open it some months back. Sad for him if, as it seems, he couldn't get it off the ground, because he was the first one of these micro pubs in Worthing

 

[The Clamp]

Old Star Ale and Cider House. Havnt been yet but its on my radar!

It's great, as are the folks running it. Only been once but it's going to feature in my ale house route for sure.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Yes so sad to see some great pubs closed. Even sad to see the Grim last year has gone to a Londis or some such, sighn of the times, don't get back to the Heath very often.

Mine was an old Watney 5 year tenancy that went over to a lease with the demise of Watney Coombe Reid and yes there was arbitration their view was that either I singed the new lease or left as the tenancy expired. If I was honest I would say the rent was slightly under valued so I expected an increase possibly to £16k ish but not to in excess of £34k that was exorbitant. The leases also contained an upwards only rent review every 12 months. Eventually the pub was sold to a private company who charged a succession of tenants a lower rent than the previous as they went broke and eventually closed the pub with the latest man paying £12k a year. It is now 6 flats.

 

[The Andy Naylor Fan Club]

Mine was an old Watney 5 year tenancy that went over to a lease with the demise of Watney Coombe Reid and yes there was arbitration their view was that either I singed the new lease or left as the tenancy expired. If I was honest I would say the rent was slightly under valued so I expected an increase possibly to £16k ish but not to in excess of £34k that was exorbitant. The leases also contained an upwards only rent review every 12 months. Eventually the pub was sold to a private company who charged a succession of tenants a lower rent than the previous as they went broke and eventually closed the pub with the latest man paying £12k a year. It is now 6 flats.

Gutted for you BG. Karaoke has killed many a good pub.

 

[BensGrandad]

Sorry about that especially as I always get the hump at others doing the same when we sign a player so as they say touche.

 

[greyseagull]

It used to be the small coffee shop run by an Italian chap. Was good coffee but never seemed very inviting. Can't wait for this though - I live a stones throw away. Will do well to compete with the Brookstead though as that place is top notch.

 

[Maldini]

That shop changes hands every 6 months.

 

[Thimble Keegan]

By West Worthing crossing. [emoji2]

For years and years that place was Ace Burgers...Good luck to the guys opening the micro-pub...

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
Croydon BHA

 

[Eggman]

For years and years that place was Ace Burgers...Good luck to the guys opening the micro-pub...

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
Croydon BHA

No mate. Ace Burgers is opposite

 

[Thimble Keegan]

No mate. Ace Burgers is opposite

Ah right, I am looking at it from the wrong angle! So yes, that was a bakers and I think my auntie worked in there...

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
Croydon BHA

 

[vegster]

Well, on the plus side from that, The Castle at the bottom of Broadwater Bridge is re-opening in a months time & staying as an Ale House.

The Castle will be a goldmine when the Teville Gate redevelopment gets finished in 2047.

 

[jakarta]

Well personally I am not going to try it out unless it is guaranteed that I am served my Craft Beer by a Bearded and Top Knotted ****.

Said Beer must have an AMUSING name, a RIDICULOUS ABV and use a Trio of Venezuelan Hops showing DAMSON, AXLE GREASE and ANGEL DELIGHT notes.