[Albion] New Club Statement on OS

[HAILSHAM SEAGULL]

Of course I'm not anti-Bloom - He's an absolute hero for financing the club like has done, we are very lucky - However I wouldn't unquestionably assume that he and the rest of the board are incapable of making mistakes either.

In fact I'm often amazed at the naivity of comments such as "In Tony we trust" - Given that we don't know much about his career record, or even much about his personality.

I suspect (complete assumption) that TB doesn't have a very hands-on approach when running this club anyway, and probably has very little input to this whole situation if he leaves it to his staff - So I believe if there is someone ****ing up, it is the staff he has hired and very unlikely to be TB himself.

You have just posted the biggest load of bullshit in NSC history, Take A Bow

 

[Smile]

Fair enough, I certainly don't agree with racist anti-Gus posters. However, I equally don't agree with those who are underestimating what Tony has done for our club. Who seem to have lost faith in him, the club and board, and who appear to fail to understand the difficult brief that PB has (think of it as a necessary 'evil' if you like).

I understand what your saying and maybe if I had been told whatever you have I would feel exactly the same. I just think things have not been handled very well.

 

[B.W.]

Agreed. Excellent post. I'm so glad that a blithely unquestioning "our club, right or wrong" approach hasn't always predominated. We wouldn't have a club now of any kind if it had.

Whilst I agree the club should be questioned, where justified, on an ongoing basis, there really should be something substantive that the questioning is based on. So far, I see no serious grounds to question TB et al. To be clear, this is just my opinion.

 

[ROSM]

You really are hilarious. During the Dick Knight era when you were in the happy clappy gang you would defend almost ANYTHING the club did or said to the hilt on here. Now the club is conducting itself like a proper business and doesn't run everything like some village committee you stand on the outside throwing abuse at how things are done. Very poor form.

The reality is there is nothing wrong with what the club has done in anyones eyes except those that have beef with the new regime and those that still cuddle their Gus Poyet teddy at night and will take that side no matter what is said or done.

You presumably didn't read my criticisms of poyet post play off on NSC then?

As for being in a happy clappy gang, if you are saying there were a group of people helping the club for free to achieve its goals, then guilty as charged. That advice from the group was sometimes project management, sales, pr and comms, hr and sometimes financial.

It is those same skills that I am using as a basis for my comments here. Now please tell me where I'm throwing abuse?

 

[portlock seagull]

Well, I have responded only where I feel appropriate, but I agree there are a lot of posts from me on this thread. I do NOT apologise for that; as far as I know, there is no upper limit set! Meanwhile, your posts are few in number and also low in quality. Congratulations on that!

Ouch! Is that game set and match BW via a blinding back hand cross court smash?!

 

[B.W.]

I'm not sure you quite understand that it isn't black and white as you make out. Gus may well have done some bad things ( it will hopefully become apparent one way or the other soon ), the LMA might well be biased BUT seriously, the club have to shoulder some blame for the current mess. ALL parties have acted unprofessionally but I would NEVER, I repeat NEVER, put my blind faith in the owner or board or ANY club - ours included. With so much money at stake it would be naive and dangerous to do so.

Again fair enough, but TB's massive investment suggests to me that our fans should be placing faith in his / the club's handling of all this. IMHO, too many fans seem to be blindly assuming Gus and the LMA can do no wrong, and that the club is, at best, unprofessional.

 

[ROSM]

You seem a sensible poster, but again you appear to be defending an LMA statement to the hilt whilst accusing the club of leaks, and poorly-thought-out statements. I, on the other hand, genuinely believe the club are on solid ground. In short, I trust our chairman and board.

Okay, how did NSC, Jonny cantor and other journos hear there was a meeting last Friday. And how were they told gus failed to turn up. How did I hear a senior club officer was standing next to gus when he sent his email? How did you hear 5 weeks ago what you heard. They all came from leaks.

 

[GreersElbow]

Of course I'm not anti-Bloom - He's an absolute hero for financing the club like has done, we are very lucky - However I wouldn't unquestionably assume that he and the rest of the board are incapable of making mistakes either.

In fact I'm often amazed by the naivity of comments such as "In Tony we trust" - Given that we don't know much about his career record, or even much about his personality.

I suspect (complete assumption) that TB doesn't have a very hands-on approach when running this club anyway, and probably has very little input to this whole situation if he leaves it to his staff - So I believe if there is someone ****ing up, it is the staff he has hired and very unlikely to be TB himself.

This is off topic (and I apologise) but I find it baffling that you find capitalism evil and people having so much money as wrong, but whole-heartedly support Bloom. Of course you love and support the club, but praising Bloom for pumping that amount of money into the club surely goes against your political beliefs?

 

[soistes]

If you had ever had to manage anyone out of a business you would know that sacking someone is far from simple even when you have strong grounds.

You are 100% correct here. Not surprising that most of NSC have no experience of this, but it's true nonetheless. You have to dot every I and cross every t otherwise the lawyers take you to the cleaners. Hence, I would guess, the 500 pages of appendices in this case.

 

[Acker79]

But OUR club say it is unfair and inaccurate. Tell you what, I'll believe TB et al. You believe his/her post and the LMA.

Our club which last season (2011/12) was being slaughter by most on here for banning one of its fans on the word of one off duty police officer, ignoring the other witness statements, resulting in the ban going to tribunal and being overturned. Our club is run by humans, people with faults who occasionally make mistakes.

I am not believing one side over the other (both involve human beings, with agendas) I'm taking both sides comments in and taking them all with a pinch of salt. I know you believe the clubs side because someone at the club has told you it, and I get that you will defend that position, but you have to be reasonable. That post was not "defending the LMA statement to the hilt".

Suggesting it was being selective in what it addressed is not a good thing to accuse it of, highlighting that it was more detailed than the clubs statement is not defending it, it's just highlighting a difference.

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

If you had ever had to manage anyone out of a business you would know that sacking someone is far from simple even when you have strong grounds.

Yet it happens all the time in football, it's a different ball game to usual business

 

[B.W.]

Of course I'm not anti-Bloom - He's an absolute hero for financing the club like has done, we are very lucky - However I wouldn't unquestionably assume that he and the rest of the board are incapable of making mistakes either.

In fact I'm often amazed by the naivity of comments such as "In Tony we trust" - Given that we don't know much about his career record, or even much about his personality.

I suspect (complete assumption) that TB doesn't have a very hands-on approach when running this club anyway, and probably has very little input to this whole situation if he leaves it to his staff - So I believe if there is someone ****ing up, it is the staff he has hired and very unlikely to be TB himself.

Your assumption re TB is, in fact, incorrect! Especially, with something as important as (so far at least) suspending our manager.

 

[GreersElbow]

Yes this is very off topic, but seeing as I'm here.

Politically I would love all football clubs to follow the Barcelona or Bayern Munich "socialist" model of running a club, where a club is owned by its fans and its chairpersons are elected - but I can't see it ever happening in this country sadly and I can't bring myself to stop loving football - so I suppose having a club owned by one fan is better than having it owned by none.

I wouldn't call that a socialist model, in fact. That's how I'd like the clubs being ran, as it'd more likely ensure stability in the long run.

 

[Baron Pepperpot]

Well, as I said before, very few of us know anything of note. So it's best just to wait.

 

[kevo]

Hold on a minute. I know you put me in the "happy clappy gang" category. What you won't know about the FFA team is the number of times we advised the Club that it WOULDN'T be a good idea to air some of the big issues in public. An example (and it's probably safe to identify this issue now) was the FACT that very senior people at Brighton University at the time were so implacably opposed to co-operating with the stadium project that it could easily not have happened, because they weren't minded to make the land available - despite the fact that everyone believed they were onside with the project.

The issue was whether to take them on publicly, or keep quiet about the issue. There were those within the Club who reckoned they could out-fight the University in a public row, and the FFA team who advised that a couple of years of complete silence might be the better tactic. Silence prevailed.

There were, of course, issues where FFA people (including ROSM and myself) did defend the Club "to the hilt". Were we wrong?

It's not about being a "proper" business. It's about being a business that retains the brand loyalty of its customers. There are real signs (read this thread) that the Club are now struggling to achieve this. They should be doing better.

If only Martin Perry was still the Chief Exec - I wonder how differently this all would have been handled or indeed whether there would have been the fall-out with Gus in the first place.

 

[Albion Dan]

You presumably didn't read my criticisms of poyet post play off on NSC then?

As for being in a happy clappy gang, if you are saying there were a group of people helping the club for free to achieve its goals, then guilty as charged. That advice from the group was sometimes project management, sales, pr and comms, hr and sometimes financial.

It is those same skills that I am using as a basis for my comments here. Now please tell me where I'm throwing abuse?

My point is that you always rebuked any criticism of the old regime when you were in the inner sanctum but now criticize what the club is doing, ie. trying to get rid of a manager they feel has acted badly enough to terminate his employment and trying to save £2.5m in the process. You have nothing but an individual assessment of what is really going on based on a few PR statements and one of those from a Union of all places, and are using it to paint a picture of incompetence at the current management. You appear petty, hypocritical, and bitter as do a few of the old gang who also would never hear ill of the club under DK but are now all chipping away at the current situation.

 

[portlock seagull]

You are 100% correct here. Not surprising that most of NSC have no experience of this, but it's true nonetheless. You have to dot every I and cross every t otherwise the lawyers take you to the cleaners. Hence, I would guess, the 500 pages of appendices in this case.

How do you know this? We might all be in HR and just not very good at it?

 

[Acker79]

I take your point. If it was MK, then I do NOT apologise. Otherwise, I am sorry.

I just checked, it was MK. I take it back.

 

[B.W.]

Okay, how did NSC, Jonny cantor and other journos hear there was a meeting last Friday. And how were they told gus failed to turn up. How did I hear a senior club officer was standing next to gus when he sent his email? How did you hear 5 weeks ago what you heard. They all came from leaks.

Fair point. However, IMHO there will always be leaks (some deliberate), but I genuinely believe the club has been incredibly professional and locked-down since the suspension, whereas, TBH, under DK the club leaked like a sieve.

 

[Albion Dan]

Yet it happens all the time in football, it's a different ball game to usual business

You do understand that when it "happens all the time in football" that it results in the club paying off the manager the sum of wages owing for the entire remainder of their contract? You realise this would cost us £2.5m? You realise that the WHOLE reason the club is following this process is that they believe there has been misconduct and are trying to actually fire Poyet as a result and save us all that money for something productive, such as players?