Naylor's losing the plot....

[Withdean Wanderer]

Comment: Boo boys should lay off Hawkins (From The Argus)

£23.50 for that lumbering oaf? Booing should be EXPECTED!

 

[Don Quixote]

yeah he's a nob, we know

 

[chez]

He's damn right though isn't he. People seem to get off on slagging off Hawkins but they know it's wrong and it is damaging to the club as a whole but they still do it. Makes you wonder whether they really support The Albion or want to see them fail.

Naylor makes an excellent and valid point here.

 

[Mendoza]

Naylors old man gave me my first Christmas card of the year

Mr Naylor is just building up the atmosphere for the Hawkins vs Andre Flo SHOW on Friday night

and the story is completely made up and utter FICTION, Withdean didnt boo Hawkins, they booed EVERYONE

 

[Surf 'n' Turf]

Agreed, I'm sick of people constantly booing.

Some people spend more time moaning and slagging off the team and manager than "SUPPORTING" them.

I'd stop going before I turned on the club I love.

 

[Chesney Christ]

He's damn right though isn't he. People seem to get off on slagging off Hawkins but they know it's wrong and it is damaging to the club as a whole but they still do it. Makes you wonder whether they really support The Albion or want to see them fail.

Naylor makes an excellent and valid point here.

Yes, unlike constantly slagging off Kuipers (arguably our best player this season) which is of course perfectly acceptable.....?

 

[chez]

Yes, unlike constantly slagging off Kuipers (arguably our best player this season) which is of course perfectly acceptable.....?

Although that's bollocks about Kipper being one of our best players I have never, and will never slag him off at a match because booing makes players play worse and I want our players to play better, not worse than they already do.

 

[withdeanwombat]

I'm laying off the boos fror Christmas and the New Year.

 

[NMH]

Some seem to enjoy berating our players, but all it does is inhibit them along with the rest of the team, and make them play with fear of keeping the ball.

Self-defeating, and ultimately a self-fulfilling prophecy that will lose us points over a season. The supposed "13th man" is the crowd, but often ours are 'man-deducting'.

 

[Acker79]

Some seem to enjoy berating our players, but all it does is inhibit them along with the rest of the team, and make them play with fear of keeping the ball.

Self-defeating, and ultimately a self-fulfilling prophecy that will lose us points over a season. The supposed "13th man" is the crowd, but often ours are 'man-deducting'.

That's not always true.

Often being booed makes players put more effort in, makes them want to prove themselves. Look at how Matt Richards responded to the barracking he received in the Walsall game when we played Man City, Guy Butters is considered by many to be an albion legend, and he was the guy put on ebay by a fan.

A lot of footballers very are proud individuals who when booed, feel it is a slight against them and their egos force them to step up their game.

There are some that go into their shell, but it comes down to the individual, I always do better when I'm criticised than when I'm praised, my best a-levels were in the subjects I was told early in the course I was not up to standard in, it made me put more effort in and step up my game.

Footballers are individuals too. Booing won't make them all step up, but it doesn't make them all shirk responsibility either.

 

[Silent Bob]

Naylor really is a f***ing shit journo. I've seen the same argument put far more eloquently and persuasively by posters on here!

"Come on guys, be nice!"



boooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Djmiles]

I'm sorry but that is bollocks.

If I want to tell a player how SHIT he's playing then I will. I used to work in a supermarket, and if I was giving a customer SHIT service then you can bet your life the customer will tell you about it, why is it one rule for football players and another rule for the rest of us?

 

[Twinkle Toes]

A post concerning Hawkins getting booed, courtesy of you-know-who? What a friggin' surprise!

NOT.

 

[itszamora]

I'm sorry but that is bollocks.

If I want to tell a player how SHIT he's playing then I will. I used to work in a supermarket, and if I was giving a customer SHIT service then you can bet your life the customer will tell you about it, why is it one rule for football players and another rule for the rest of us?

I seem to remember Micky Adams saying not so long ago that the fans are entitled to boo if the team don't perform. So if he doesn't have a problem with it, why does Naylor?

 

[fosters headband]

That's not always true.

Often being booed makes players put more effort in, makes them want to prove themselves. Look at how Matt Richards responded to the barracking he received in the Walsall game when we played Man City, Guy Butters is considered by many to be an albion legend, and he was the guy put on ebay by a fan.

A lot of footballers very are proud individuals who when booed, feel it is a slight against them and their egos force them to step up their game.

There are some that go into their shell, but it comes down to the individual, I always do better when I'm criticised than when I'm praised, my best a-levels were in the subjects I was told early in the course I was not up to standard in, it made me put more effort in and step up my game.

Footballers are individuals too. Booing won't make them all step up, but it doesn't make them all shirk responsibility either.

Just to back up your comments, do you remember 2 seasons ago bottom of the league Millwall were out played in the first half and went in 1-0 down at the Withdean.
I have never heard supporters boo so loudly at their own players at half time the way the Millwall fans did.
What happened in the second half, their team completely reversed the game and won the game 2-1. Best example of the effect of booing I have ever seen.

 

[Buzzer]

I'm sorry but that is bollocks.

If I want to tell a player how SHIT he's playing then I will. I used to work in a supermarket, and if I was giving a customer SHIT service then you can bet your life the customer will tell you about it, why is it one rule for football players and another rule for the rest of us?

And if the service doesn't improve to their satisfaction then the customer will shop elsewhere. If I were that upset with the service I wouldn't return.

Yet the boo-boys come back to the footie week after week and DEMAND their right to moan. They might not understand about things like injuries, the morale-sapping effect of booing and and abusing players. You know, that sort of thing. Imagine if Hawkins reads NSC and sees the unnecessarily negative criticism of his play. Would he feel inspired to play better after such support from supposed fans? By all accounts Hawkins played a blinder on Saturday. As did El-Abd. Where's all the threads telling Hawkins that he CAN play well if he applies himself and gets a bit of confidence? You can bet your bottom dollar that every mistake he makes will be on here though. And usually from people like WW. There's absolutely no balance, no measured opinions. 9 times out of 10 it's negative bollocks.

One rule for football fans and another for everybody else.

 

[Acker79]

And if the service doesn't improve to their satisfaction then the customer will shop elsewhere. If I were that upset with the service I wouldn't return.

Yet the boo-boys come back to the footie week after week and DEMAND their right to moan. They might not understand about things like injuries, the morale-sapping effect of booing and and abusing players. You know, that sort of thing. Imagine if Hawkins reads NSC and sees the unnecessarily negative criticism of his play. Would he feel inspired to play better after such support from supposed fans? By all accounts Hawkins played a blinder on Saturday. As did El-Abd. Where's all the threads telling Hawkins that he CAN play well if he applies himself and gets a bit of confidence? You can bet your bottom dollar that every mistake he makes will be on here though. And usually from people like WW. There's absolutely no balance, no measured opinions. 9 times out of 10 it's negative bollocks.

One rule for football fans and another for everybody else.

The boo boys come back week after week, giving the players a chance to redeem themselves. Shop customers don't give the check out girl that opportunity.

Shops compete for customers, constantly. They don't just compete to get them in once then have them hooked for life. Footballers and the clubs they play for know fans are loyal to them, they know they can phone it in every week and the fans will not change allegiance.

Fans pick a club and stick with them, it becomes "their" club, there is no going elsewhere. You don't abandon your children just because they misbehave, you teach them better manners, you teach them what is acceptable behaviour where, etc.

Fans boo because it is their method to improve the team. Maybe you don't think it is the right way to handle it, but others do, and it does have a positive effect a significant amount of the time or else booing would have stopped a long time ago. People don't boo because they think it's clever, they boo because it works. Not always, some players do let it get the better of them, but it works often enough so it continues.

At a shop we are the customer. At a football club we are the guardians of the soul of club. Players come and go, managers come and go, chairmen and boards come and go, fans are fans for life. We ARE the club. WE are what makes this group of eleven players different from the eleven players that turn out for Luton.

Analogies to shop workers are always weak at best. Both for not booing (I'm more familiar with people suggesting you wouldn't hurl abuse at shop workers, so why do it at footballers) and for booing (as evidenced in this thread).

The fans didn't start booing and criticising hawkins after one bad performance, it was a string of them. If he puts in a string of good performances he'll get credit. I point again to guy butters. "The boo boys" didn't start loving him after one good performance. He had to show consistency. Anyone can play a blinder in one game.

 

[Buzzer]

The boo boys come back week after week, giving the players a chance to redeem themselves. Shop customers don't give the check out girl that opportunity.

Shops compete for customers, constantly. They don't just compete to get them in once then have them hooked for life. Footballers and the clubs they play for know fans are loyal to them, they know they can phone it in every week and the fans will not change allegiance.

Fans pick a club and stick with them, it becomes "their" club, there is no going elsewhere. You don't abandon your children just because they misbehave, you teach them better manners, you teach them what is acceptable behaviour where, etc.

Fans boo because it is their method to improve the team. Maybe you don't think it is the right way to handle it, but others do, and it does have a positive effect a significant amount of the time or else booing would have stopped a long time ago. People don't boo because they think it's clever, they boo because it works. Not always, some players do let it get the better of them, but it works often enough so it continues.

At a shop we are the customer. At a football club we are the guardians of the soul of club. Players come and go, managers come and go, chairmen and boards come and go, fans are fans for life. We ARE the club. WE are what makes this group of eleven players different from the eleven players that turn out for Luton.

Analogies to shop workers are always weak at best. Both for not booing (I'm more familiar with people suggesting you wouldn't hurl abuse at shop workers, so why do it at footballers) and for booing (as evidenced in this thread).

The fans didn't start booing and criticising hawkins after one bad performance, it was a string of them. If he puts in a string of good performances he'll get credit. I point again to guy butters. "The boo boys" didn't start loving him after one good performance. He had to show consistency. Anyone can play a blinder in one game.

What a very patronising attitude if you don't mind me saying. So booing players somehow teaches them to play better and encourages them? I think we'll agree to disagree.

We'll also disagree on booing somehow improves the team.

We'll also disagree on fans changing allegiance or coming week in and week out.

We'll also disagree on fans booing because they think it's clever.

We'll also disagree on whether booing works or that it has a positive effect.

We'll also disagree that people such as WW would ever give Hawkins credit even if he played blinders for the next 10 games.

Apart from that I think we've got a general consensus.

 

[Djmiles]

And if the service doesn't improve to their satisfaction then the customer will shop elsewhere. If I were that upset with the service I wouldn't return.

Or the person in question would lose their job because they are not doing their job properly.