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Cabernet Franc….is this usually chilled? I didn’t order it by the way…..just saw it.
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Unusual to chill a cab franc. Though I do sometimes drink it not far hotter than cellar temperature - say 13-14C
Machiavelli
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Often. It's a quite remarkable grape. You see that icon that G1976 has by the profile: that's one of the most exalted wines ever (and G1976 has drunk -- sorry, tasted, imbibed) some, and that's made from Cabernet Franc (about the only top wine from Bordeaux that is). The best CFs tend to come from the mid-region of the Loire around Anjou and Saumur, and they can age forever.
Most red wine is drunk too warm. I whacked my Marsannay (Pinot Noir) in the fridge for an hour or so before drinking it, and it's all the better for it.
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It is only unusual to chill a cab franc if you have a cellar that keeps the wines at 13-14C
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Domaine Mosse Bangarang Primeur Rouge 2020
£21.00
Gift wrapping: Options available Shipping: Calculated at Checkout REGION: Anjou, Loire, France GRAPES: Pineau d'Aunis & Cabernet Franc VINEYARD: Organic CELLAR: Fermented with native yeasts, unfiltered & unfined, no additional sulphites
This is the wine in question. And just realized it’s two grapes.
£21.00
Gift wrapping: Options available Shipping: Calculated at Checkout REGION: Anjou, Loire, France GRAPES: Pineau d'Aunis & Cabernet Franc VINEYARD: Organic CELLAR: Fermented with native yeasts, unfiltered & unfined, no additional sulphites
This is the wine in question. And just realized it’s two grapes.
Machiavelli
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Yes, but is it any good?
Marsannay 2018 from Sylvain Pataille is very good. I like SP, whose Marsannays are as good as that appellation get and, along with the Aligoteurs (see what he did there?), is working hard for us to revise our views on Aligote.
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I haven’t tried it. I was more curious about the chilling aspect.
It is only unusual to chill a cab franc if you have a cellar that keeps the wines at 13-14C
10.5c; 62RH. Damn near perfect. Done nothing to it - it’s like that naturally.
Damn right it is!
Machiavelli
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RH: que? Residual humidity?
Relative…
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Whatever you view on the product itself, I think we can all agree that anyone using the term Natty Wines should be executed.
I take solace in the idea that being such a person is a punishment in itself.
I find myself wondering how many times in the last 5 years you’ve found yourself asking yourself ‘now, I really fancy a ‘natural’ wine; I must go out and buy myself a bottle’…
Machiavelli
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Quite happy to have them thrust upon me in situ by someone with a local or range knowledge but as 'you', ie G1976 say, it's not something I've sought out, although it has put me off buying when those credentials are displayed
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Well, to be honest, I have actually tried a few since I started this thread and most have been fine. I really do not like the extreme funky wines but once I have steered the waiter/sommelier away from these my experiences have usually been good. Not my first choice mind.
@McTavish will be gently smiling and stroking his white cat sat in his lap.
I’ve not had any since I tried the excellent champagne he recommended.
I recall he said that things were improving. It’s been a while since he said that. It’s time for me to put that assertion to the test. I’ll buy a few to try. Well, two bottles. Maybe one.
Had a similar expereince at Plateau when my other half decided to try one of their orange wines. I think the point of trying these things in a restaurant is that they curate things for you and you kind of expect to find something half decent even if somewhat expensive. Certainly not the case. There are plenty of things you can try once which are challenging, which you can acquire a taste for. I would bracket orange wine with natural wine as something not worth wasting any time onI tend to drink wine over beer these days... I can't handle the volume anymore!! Love a good Malbec with a bit of Argentinian beef
Last year we and Mrs HS popped into Plateau when we were in Brighton... ordered a nice sounding red... and then embarrassed myself by going up to them to say it tasted off!! They proceeded to tell me it was a natural wine and that's what it's supposed to taste like!!
It was horrid... very sour as you say... and only fit for disinfecting the loo!!!
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Would this be the Esprit Nature form Henri Giraud Champagne mentioned in this thread?
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Many years ago we did a tour around the champagne region to the lesser known producers.
This one really stood out, we had a tour around the cellars.
If you like blanc de blancs the basic is great. I think Selfridges stock it.
www.champagne-veuve-fourny.com
This one really stood out, we had a tour around the cellars.
If you like blanc de blancs the basic is great. I think Selfridges stock it.
Blanc de Blancs - Champagne Veuve Fourny
White juice from white grapes (Chardonnay) harvested by hand, this wine reveals all the know-how of the Veuve Fourny house blended from different plots, and from different harvests: purity, finesse and elegance. An ideal companion for your aperitifs, it is […]
www.champagne-veuve-fourny.com