Nathan
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Mike Dean, Alan Pardew, Mike Ashley.
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Murray red card appeal REJECTED
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Mike Dean, Alan Pardew, Mike Ashley.
BensGrandad
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The duffers I sat with on Surrey FA worked on the principal that the ref said or did it so it must be right why would he do otherwise.
You could also argue that Stockdale's line of sight was obscured by Murray, so he wouldn't have had chance to react.
All hypothetical, but so is whether it's a clear goal scoring opportunity and for me it was.
Given some were talking more than one game, I don't think it's the worst outcome.
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Stockdale wouldn't have saved it, because it would have hit Murray. It wasn't even deliberate. And given that a penalty was given, a goal scoring opportunity was still there. It's not the same as when a player stops the ball crossing the line with his arms.
I really think this is an opinion thing. Murray moved his hands towards the ball, whether it was to protect himself or stop a goal is highly debatable.
I don't think he should have done it, hence I think it's correct. I don't think either CB would have in that position.
As I say all opinions.
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Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Oh well.
No harm done.
No harm done.
If he gets a red later in the season, will he serve a longer ban because of this one?Oh well.
No harm done.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
No idea.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
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Yes, if Murray gets another red this season he'll have an extra game added to his ban.
hampshirebrightonboy
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In retrospect the wankers at the FA have done us a favour here.
We got the 3 points vs Cardiff.
Murray got a rest
Hemed gained some confidence
Hughton tried March as a number 10
We got the 3 points vs Cardiff.
Murray got a rest
Hemed gained some confidence
Hughton tried March as a number 10
Nixonator
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Wont be a favour if he picks up another one before the end of the season.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Yep. We just about got away with it, considering the temporary injury list and Murray's suspension.
One thing we've hopefully determined is that March isn't a natural No.10. This should help focus attention on getting cover for Baldock.... which I'm sure was already top of the January wish list.
portslade seagull
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This, if anything this clarified to CH and TB that cover is required for Baldock. I'm sure they have this covered though
GoldWithFalmer
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It was so minimal imho that its inconclusive..
Nixonator
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Doesn't that mean it should have been upheld?
Don't they have to be SURE beyond reasonable doubt that he didn't lash out to rescind it? Maybe they just asked him
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
Doesn't that mean it should have been upheld?
Don't they have to be SURE beyond reasonable doubt that he didn't lash out to rescind it? Maybe they just asked him
I suppose so,but also upon review it's clear (to me anyway)to see,that no offence was committed,again its only my view/opinion,i just feel it was,upon review,a fair decision overturn of the Red..
Like the joke at the end btw.. probably.
GoldWithFalmer
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I knew it was only one match,but was/am unaware of the change of law...
McTavish
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The law was changed so that if a player made a genuine attempt to play the ball in the area but committed a foul whilst denying a goal scoring opportunity then it should be pen and yellow rather than pen and red. Handball which denies a goal scoring opportunity in the penalty area a remains pen and red.
The definition of handball is that it has to be deliberate! Anyone who says "it was obviously handball but it wasn't deliberate so shouldn't be a red card" or words to that effect doesn't understand the laws. The definition of "deliberate" is not straightforward but the law is quite clear that accidental handball is not a foul.
We saw against Cardiff that a keeper can be in line and still fail to save a shot so whether Stockdale was right behind Murray or not is not particularly relevant, especially as the shot was so hard.
There were reasons that this might not have been a red - ball might not have been going in at at all; if Murray's hands hadn't been there then the ball would have hit him in the face - but these are fairly tenuous. Look at the picture of Murray's "save" and ask yourself: if he played for another team would I think that was a pen and a red?