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Wilts

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http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/nationwide/story.jsp?story=459364

McGhee keen to use Brighton as stepping stone to the big time

By Andrew Warshaw
01 November 2003

All managers have one or two stepping stones on the way to their ultimate goal but Mark McGhee is now arguably into his fifth, in a matter of just 12 years. Reading, Leicester, Wolves, Millwall and now Brighton. Doesn't seem much of a career progression for the 46-year-old Scot, does it, especially when his best mate, Gordon Strachan, is going from strength to strength at Southampton?

Yet in his clean but distinctly ordinary square-walled office at the Seagulls' training ground - a complex shared with Sussex University and a far cry from the relative luxury he used to enjoy - McGhee can still raise a smile when the old pun about having more clubs than Jack Nicklaus is thrown in his direction.

The rain may be lashing down in the car park on McGhee's custom-plated BMW, a lasting perk of his well paid lifestyle. But inside, nothing can dampen his enthusiasm, after sitting down to lunch for the first time with his unfamiliar backroom staff, to get started in his new job, beginning at Peterborough this afternoon.

New environment, new surroundings. Not for the first time, McGhee admits, but being out of a job for a mere two weeks following his surprise departure from Millwall is surely some indication that he is still regarded in high esteem by his peers. "My ambitions haven't changed," he said. "I spent my career at big clubs [Newcastle, Aberdeen, Hamburg, Celtic] and managing a team in Europe is still what I aim to do. But it's about opportunity and timing, and all I can do is keep repeating what I believe has been a successful career, wherever I've been."

Well, almost. McGhee won the Second Division title with Reading in 1994 and repeated the trick with Millwall seven years later. His stewardship at both Leicester and Wolves did not work out quite so effectively, as has been well chronicled, but lessons have been learned, particularly in the way he walked out on Leicester to join Wolves in 1995.

McGhee admits he made mistakes but remains confident, if not convinced, that another chance will come to move in the big time. "I suppose it might never happen but as long as I do each job properly, I'm prepared to keep trying. Certainly, I feel as excited working with a new group of players as I did the first day I walked into Reading or any other club. Besides, what am I going to do otherwise, sit at home and play golf? I've been a football person since the day I left school at 16 and I'm still making a living out of it."

Yet given his desire to manage again at the top level, didn't McGhee hesitate when the Brighton job came up following the departure of Steve Coppell to, irony of ironies, Reading? "Absolutely, yes. I could have waited and hoped but I saw Brighton as a team that have a great opportunity to be promoted and when I spoke to people who knew about this club, including Steve, I realised it was a job I should be interested in. They all told me it was a very enjoyable place to work."

McGhee's departure from Millwall, who had climbed to eighth in the First Division, stunned the average punter. Rumours abound, as fans scratched their heads for a reason that McGhee fell out big-time with the chairman, Theo Paphitis, who allegedly wanted more of a say in team selection.

All McGhee will say is that every manager has a life span. "I had probably squeezed every drop out of those players that I could. In order to progress, they needed some fresh faces of a certain quality to improve the team. Put it this way: I left at a time that was right for me."

And so to Brighton, where McGhee is keen to receive top marks before moving on again. "There is less patience now with managers than there used to be, it's generally a more precarious job. Every time you take a new one you risk being unsuccessful and that's the day you risk being unemployed. It's a chance you take but no one ever actually believes they will fail. If they do, they're in the wrong business."

Not so long ago, however, McGhee was regarded as the blue-eyed boy of management, someone who might even take over one day from Sir Alex Ferguson, his once-time mentor before they inexplicably fell out, at Manchester United. So what went wrong? "Certainly my career was derailed after my experience at Wolves and I admit that my progression was somewhat halted," McGhee explained. "I should have waited longer at Leicester and served a longer apprenticeship, like Martin O'Neill did before going to Celtic, and then maybe moved to an established Premier League club. I perceived that Wolves were a bigger club than Leicester, even though they were in the First Division.

"But in terms of my teams on the pitch, nothing went wrong. Even at Wolves, the first full season I was there they finished third in the League before the money dried up. Good luck to them now, they're a great club and I had a tear in my eye when they got promoted. I spoke to Dave Jones only this week. Nice man."

Refreshingly honest, McGhee admits he is more than a little envious of the likes of Jones, O'Neill, Strachan, and Everton's David Moyes, who has got to where he wants to be with far less experience. "Of course I envy them but I also appreciate why they are where they are, and why I am where I am. I can live with that. I've taken my medicine and I'm still only 46."

And perhaps with a greater idea of loyalty. McGhee has never walked out on a club since Leicester and insists he never will. "People talk about loyalty but what does it mean? I won't be staying at Brighton for ever, the chairman knows that. Am I comfortable with being a manager in the Second Division? No, I'm not. But as long as I am here, I'll work as hard as I can to make Brighton as successful as I possibly can. To me, that's loyalty."

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Are you happy with this?

Is it just "oh look, another f*cking manager who is going to leave" or is it "well, every manager is going to leave us, so instead we'll just get a decent one in for as long as possible?

To be fair, if he takes Brighton to the position that both Reading and Millwall found ourselves in now, then is it really a bad thing, even if its a short-term fix?

Honest question...
 




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He didn't say this at the press conference.

Well, if he can get us as far as the division 1 playoffs in 3 years, he has my vote. If walks out on us then I can see him becoming hated at yet another club...
 
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larus

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I accept that managers seek success and to manage at the highest level. At the moment, we haven't got the facilities to aim at more than survival in division one (once we get there). That may change with Falmer.

On that basis, if we get an ambitious manager who can get the best results possible from our limited resources, I'm happy. If that means changing managers every 12 - 18 months, so be it.

DK has done a very good job in appointing good mangers over the last 4 years. The fact they don't stay long is not a reflection on him, it's purely the situation that we are in. I think it must say something very positive about the club/players/fans that we can still attract good managers despite our predicament.

Here's to the future.
 
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Tom Hark Preston Park

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Wilts said:
http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/nationwide/story.jsp?story=459364

McGhee keen to use Brighton as stepping stone to the big time

By Andrew Warshaw
01 November 2003

Blah blah blah...

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Are you happy with this?

Is it just "oh look, another f*cking manager who is going to leave" or is it "well, every manager is going to leave us, so instead we'll just get a decent one in for as long as possible?

To be fair, if he takes Brighton to the position that both Reading and Millwall found ourselves in now, then is it really a bad thing, even if its a short-term fix?

Honest question...


I'd say, yeah, I'm happy with it. The New Wisdom is that Jobs For Life are a thing of the past. Football managers have mortgages to pay like anybody else. On the face of it (slacker 'faithful servants' of the club notwithstanding) it looks like a straightforward steering job to promotion then the manager buggers off to a proper stadium in the Summer. It's like any other walk of life: you get a manager, he adds input, he moves on. He's got a CV to tout same as the rest of us But if we end up promoted (and he's told some of the old lag non-triers to f*** off in the process) then it's all for the good. Bring It On!
 




Icy Gull

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I'd be happy with him leaving us near the top of Div 1. Reading fans should be able to accept that he did a fine job and left for a bigger club when he went to Leicester. Would hate to become all bitter and twisted like them eh?

Coppell is a man who deserves contempt though, as he left us in a worse position than he found us :p
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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I reckon we got to start making sure we get hefty legally-binding compensation clauses written into contracts for playing and non-playing staff. Cos while Falmer's up in the air, we're in danger of becoming just a feeder club for Reading - which is a ridiculous situation to be in. Grrrrrrrrr... :glare:
 


Icy Gull

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Cos while Falmer's up in the air, we're in danger of becoming just a feeder club for Reading - which is a ridiculous situation to be in. Grrrrrrrrr... :glare: [/B]


I somehow doubt that Reading will get anyone else from us. Our manager hates them more than we do :clap2:
 




Tom Hark Preston Park

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Sure, but if Coppell gets given the dosh for Leon Knight & Danny C (which is the two players he's interested in, according to the Sunday Mirror a couple of weeks back) then Dick Knight's not going to say no.
 


Icy Gull

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Without meaning to put either of those players down, they're going to be expensive and not of the quality required if Coppell/Mad jet ski are serious about making a play for the Premiership. If they're happy to be a decent 1st div side without ambition then Leon and Danny would be reasonable signings

The lesson of BZ is unlikely to be lost on Coppell, our best player by a distance now seems a very ordinary player in the Premiership and most of us thought he would set the Premiership alight.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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larus said:
I think it must say something very positive about the club/players/fans that we can still attract good managers despite our predicament.

Nope. Totally wrong. it just means there's about 900 'Name' Managers chasing the 90 League Club Manager jobs all the time. Every ex-player or unemployed manager applies. What else are they going to do? At the job interview they all say EXACTLY what it takes to get the job (same as we all do when we go for a job). Best not to believe a word they say - then you won't be disappointed aye?
 
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