Mark McGhee

[The Large One]

The lack of incoming players may be a big one.

f*** sake. We're not even in the close season, and your crystal ball is telling you that we are getting no new players in?

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Evidence?

Here is an idea for you...

...why don't you try and CHANGE the record, stop being so tiresome and - heaven forbid - not feel the need to PICK holes in everything I post eh?

The evidence I would argue is the fact that we have not managed to get any decent outfield loan players in bar McShane where as when Coppell was here and, lets not forget, Withdean was SMALLER and had LESS atmosphere, we managed to get a few half decent players in.

Henderson
Benjamin
Ingimarsson
Yeates
Even Barret was a good prospect

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

f*** sake. We're not even in the close season, and your crystal ball is telling you that we are getting no new players in?

Clearly the MAJORITY of the season isnt long enough to bring in players is it,

 

[Les Biehn]

Funny how the loans we get, McShane aside, are GOALIES who McGhee cannot possibly play out of position and f*** about with...

Has he played GNW out of position?

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

I wouldn't want either of those, neither is as good as GNW.

Sadly Noel-Williams isn't really the yardstick; players like Gatting, Robinson and Carole are; that is, the players we've had to use up front in the absence of a target-man. Iwelumo, for one, was on a free in the summer, and I'm pretty confident we'd be in a better position if we'd signed him then.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Not yet...

 

[Gwylan]

The evidence I would argue is the fact that we have not managed to get any decent outfield loan players in bar McShane where as when Coppell was here and, lets not forget, Withdean was SMALLER and had LESS atmosphere, we managed to get a few half decent players in.

Henderson
Benjamin
Ingimarsson
Yeates
Even Barret was a good prospect

Blimey, talk about a Stalinist re-writing of history. Henderson was vilified while he was with us. I remember naming him as my MotM in one game and judging by the abuse I got, it was like I'd suggested having sex with dogs.

Barrett was also a player who attracted plenty of abuse (more than justified) and Yeates had plenty of detractors too.

Of the others that you named, only Benjamin was a striker, so I don't think your theory that Coppell managed to attract top-class strikers has much justification.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Blimey, talk about a Stalinist re-writing of history. Henderson was vilified while he was with us. I remember naming him as my MotM in one game and judging by the abuse I got, it was like I'd suggested having sex with dogs.

Barrett was also a player who attracted plenty of abuse (more than justified) and Yeates had plenty of detractors too.

Of the others that you named, only Benjamin was a striker, so I don't think your theory that Coppell managed to attract top-class strikers has much justification.

Henderson was good - there is still people that say he is shit despite scoring around 12 goals this year after being out for a long time.

 

[Da Man Clay]

Sadly Noel-Williams isn't really the yardstick; players like Gatting, Robinson and Carole are; that is, the players we've had to use up front in the absence of a target-man. Iwelumo, for one, was on a free in the summer, and I'm pretty confident we'd be in a better position if we'd signed him then.

Maybe but he done f*** all for stoke when he was with them or that german 2nd div club he was with. We all know this league is a very different one to the one below. McCammon is an awful player and can still come up with 3 goals in 5 games if you gave Big Mac 35 games at this level he will struggle to get 3 goals. I personally dont think we would have been in a much better position with Iwelumo.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

I think Yeates was too good for a lot of our team. He was knocking passes which others would not read.

Barret came from Arsenal with a good reputation. Ok, he did not set the world on fire but Coppell still manager to attract a well thought of youngster down to Withdean.

Benjamin linked up WELL with Leon Knight.

Rougier got a few important goals.

Henderson was good and I think the IDIOTS who slagged him off are probably eating HUMBLE pie now he is doing well.

Ingimarsson was CLASS.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Sidwell wasnt too bad either

 

[The Large One]

Here is an idea for you...

...why don't you try and CHANGE the record, stop being so tiresome and - heaven forbid - not feel the need to PICK holes in everything I post eh?

When I agree with one, I will. Meanwhile, your tiresome ranting, based on your own personal theatre of the absurd will have holes picked in it until such time as it makes any realistic sense. Your reason for wanting McGhee, for me, are not valid. Your sense of where the blame lies, for me, are not valid. As for your ideas for the solution, well, I have yet to hear them - aside from wanting McGhee out, of course.

And one of the functions in a debate is to pick holes. It's not as though I have been abusive about you in this thread.

Your fashion statments, though, that's a different matter...

The evidence I would argue is the fact that we have not managed to get any decent outfield loan players in bar McShane where as when Coppell was here and, lets not forget, Withdean was SMALLER and had LESS atmosphere, we managed to get a few half decent players in.

Henderson
Benjamin
Ingimarsson
Yeates
Even Barret was a good prospect

'Decent' is a matter of opinion.

Inidividually, I would say that of those players, for me, only Ingimarsson was of any real quality - occasionally. Benjamin did OK, Yeates did OK, Henderson did better things after he left and Barret was a joke while with us. How many goals? One? Two?

We didn't got many loanees in, because at the start of the season, we bought or signed players, without reverting to the loan system which would need to rely on later. There is a limited number of player each club is allowed to get in each season. Getting in players on loan then proved problematic. Too many on here picked on the fantasy notion that they didn't want to play for McGhee. Where that idea came from I don't know.

Point is, getting GNW took an awful lot of the club's resources. He was someone who, eventually, was prepared to come here. What do we know of the others who didn't? I don't know, you don't know. So if we don't know, why automatically blame McGhee?

I wonder if Robbie Keane would still feel the same way about Mark McGhee if he was asked to join Brighton?

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Your fashion statments, though, that's a different matter...

What is a fashion STATMENT?

 

[The Large One]

Clearly the MAJORITY of the season isnt long enough to bring in players is it,

Richie was talking about our continued demise through the leagues if McGhee stayed in charge. I asked him what he meant and he said not bringing new players in.

During the last close season we brought in four? five? new players. What's to say we can't or won't do that again this close season? Hopefully, a sizeable number of people re-newing their season tickets might help.

Or an investor, with a big heart and a big wallet.

 

[Les Biehn]

Sadly Noel-Williams isn't really the yardstick; players like Gatting, Robinson and Carole are; that is, the players we've had to use up front in the absence of a target-man. Iwelumo, for one, was on a free in the summer, and I'm pretty confident we'd be in a better position if we'd signed him then.

I 100% agree that we needed a target man and that is why I have maintained all along that we needed to use Super Mac more just because he has pyhsical presence and height. But at the same time I do understand why MM didn't just want to get in any old journeyman striker. So yes Iwelumo or Owusu may have helped us but looking at Super Mac at BC it is probable that they wouldn't have helped us much, no more then him anyway. Its a mistake by MM not to have used him or another target man but I can understand why he done it. As much as it does frustrate me.

 

[The Large One]

What is a fashion STATMENT?

It's the word 'statement' that was wrongly typed. Well done, Richie, you got me there. I feel so ashamed now.

 

[London Irish]

Here is an idea for you...

...why don't you try and CHANGE the record, stop being so tiresome and - heaven forbid - not feel the need to PICK holes in everything I post eh?

The evidence I would argue is the fact that we have not managed to get any decent outfield loan players in bar McShane where as when Coppell was here and, lets not forget, Withdean was SMALLER and had LESS atmosphere, we managed to get a few half decent players in.

Henderson
Benjamin
Ingimarsson
Yeates
Even Barret was a good prospect

You clown - Benjamin and Yeates were McGhee loans, not Coppell's

 

[Brighton Breezy]

It's the word 'statement' that was wrongly typed. Well done, Richie, you got me there. I feel so ashamed now.

Well you have to take your chances when you get them...

 

[Gwylan]

Henderson was good - there is still people that say he is shit despite scoring around 12 goals this year after being out for a long time.

I don't recall anyone saying Henderson was good while he was with us.

But then, I recall plenty of people describing Butters as one of our worst ever signings too.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I think Yeates was too good for a lot of our team. He was knocking passes which others would not read.

Barret came from Arsenal with a good reputation. Ok, he did not set the world on fire but Coppell still manager to attract a well thought of youngster down to Withdean.

...and McGhee was going to get Barnard and Lupoli (Arsenal - good reputation) until various problems scuppered that.

Richie, you really have to get over this Leon business. I was not pleased paying good money to watch that little tyke put in well below 100%.