Managers .. At what cost ?

[Questions]

Now I know sometimes things dont always pan out as you expect and you have to change tack by sacking a manager but I was wondering, if the fans turn on Adams and Knight after the home game with Northampton (we could lose it you know ) and Dick Knight tells Adams his time is up - because he has lost the fans - support, How much has it all cost us in financial terms ?
By that I am including the 2 and a half years remaining on Adam`s contract and also what ever was outstanding on Dean Wilkin`s terms.
How long did Deano have left ?

 

[vegster]

does it matter ?.......... if we are on the crest of a slump surely it's unimportant, we need a new direction and hang the cost

 

[Questions]

does it matter ?.......... if we are on the crest of a slump surely it's unimportant, we need a new direction and hang the cost

I didn`t say it did matter I was just trying to work it out financially.

and the cost may well infringe upon a decision anyway......... it has to in our financial position.

 

[Acker79]

Well, it would involve access to info I doubt anyone here has. That being how much it costs to pay off Wilkins, are we still paying his wages or did we come to an agreement on compensation and that is no longer an issue. Is there a clause in Adams' contract that mans we wouln't have ot pay him if we're in a certain position at a certain time (i.e. if we're bottom at christmas we can release him with a nominal fee). Same for his assistants, will we have to pay compensation to Booker and White if we let them go, of course we'd then have the wages of their replacements to consider, unless they come from within the club, but after losing Adams, Booker and White, who is left that is eligible?

There is supposedly money available for january transfers, so I guess at a push we could use that money to pay off the management team, but then we'd be stuck with the players we have. Personlly, I'm not sure that's a bad thing, the players have the quality, they lack the direction, motivation and confidence.

 

[Bry Nylon]

we are on the crest of a slump

Do you write stuff for David Pleat too?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

It's the PLAYERS wots to blame.

How will changing the manager solve that problem this season?

 

[Acker79]

It's the PLAYERS wots to blame.

How will changing the manager solve that problem this season?

The players were to blame for Tottenham's predicament early this season, brining in Redknapp worked. It was the players' fault for Sunderland's predicament, but a new manager did wonders there, and so on...

The managers tell the players what to do, he gives them directions, gives them roles to play, he motivates them to give them the confidence they need to do what they can.

Get in a manager who can get the best out of his players, a manager who can ply them to their strengths, a manager who inspires confidence in what he's doing by his choice of tactics, and use of substitutions, etc. and the problem will be solved.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

It's the PLAYERS wots to blame.

How will changing the manager solve that problem this season?

Lord B. You seem to have a bit of blind faith in Adams. Why has he not been able to stop the rot after 20 odd games with a large proportion of players that HE has brought in himself.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to get rid of the manager as opposed to getting rid of all the players?

 

[vegster]

The players were to blame for Tottenham's predicament early this season, brining in Redknapp worked. It was the players' fault for Sunderland's predicament, but a new manager did wonders there, and so on...

The managers tell the players what to do, he gives them directions, gives them roles to play, he motivates them to give them the confidence they need to do what they can.

Get in a manager who can get the best out of his players, a manager who can ply them to their strengths, a manager who inspires confidence in what he's doing by his choice of tactics, and use of substitutions, etc. and the problem will be solved.

Is that a Jamie Oliver trick ?

 

[Acker79]

Is that a Jamie Oliver trick ?

Nah, hairy bikers.

 

[Questions]

It's the PLAYERS wots to blame.

How will changing the manager solve that problem this season?

Thats was not the question though was it ?
I didn`t say sack Adams but was expanding on the financial side of it if he was goonered.
FFS.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I am intrigued by this 'It's the PLAYERS wots to blame' business.

Wilkins was accused of being a bad man manager, yet he managered to orchestrate a top half finish with some shrewd signings and faith in the homegrown players. But now apparently it is the same players' fault and some MA additions that we languish in this low position.

Do the players instruct themselves to sit on a lead (See Cheltenham)

Did they continue lofting balls against someone like Walsall (who have big centre backs) when the tactics were obviously not working?

Did they not adhere to a strict fitness regime?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Lord B. You seem to have a bit of blind faith in Adams. Why has he not been able to stop the rot after 20 odd games with a large proportion of players that HE has brought in himself.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to get rid of the manager as opposed to getting rid of all the players?

We need to do more than "stop the rot".

My fear is that we might end up with a manager with no greater ambition than to do well in this division. The aim should be to get promotion and stay up.

It's quite obvious that (1) this will take more than this season to achieve; and (2) most of the squad that Adams inherited aren't up to it.

As for the players that Adams has brought in ... despite early promise, some have certainly not stayed the course. But that's what the loan system allows a manager to test.

I'm patient enough to wait for the big clear out that will happen in the summer - and think that is best handled by a manager who has had the whole of the season to mull over the problems.

 

[itszamora]

We need to do more than "stop the rot".

My fear is that we might end up with a manager with no greater ambition than to do well in this division. The aim should be to get promotion and stay up.

It's quite obvious that (1) this will take more than this season to achieve; and (2) most of the squad that Adams inherited aren't up to it.

As for the players that Adams has brought in ... despite early promise, some have certainly not stayed the course. But that's what the loan system allows a manager to test.

I'm patient enough to wait for the big clear out that will happen in the summer - and think that is best handled by a manager who has had the whole of the season to mull over the problems.

I only have one issue here, and this is that you're saying most of the squad Adams inherited aren't up to the (eventual!) task of promotion. How then did this squad manage to finish seventh? With quality additions (such as those that, on paper, Adams brought in) surely the squad should be capable?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

We need to do more than "stop the rot".

My fear is that we might end up with a manager with no greater ambition than to do well in this division. The aim should be to get promotion and stay up.

It's quite obvious that (1) this will take more than this season to achieve; and (2) most of the squad that Adams inherited aren't up to it.

As for the players that Adams has brought in ... despite early promise, some have certainly not stayed the course. But that's what the loan system allows a manager to test.

I'm patient enough to wait for the big clear out that will happen in the summer - and think that is best handled by a manager who has had the whole of the season to mull over the problems.

Surely an interview process would sort out who had ideas of hanging about in this division and who wanted to get promoted and stay up? (Surely all managers would aim for promotion?).

I understand that it will take time for a new manager to instill their ethics and work out who they want/don't want, but didn't Micky have a long time? Rumblings suggest that he was the earmarked replacement since the board decided Wilkins had to go. He has had more time than many new managers are afforded, yet has made some bizarre decisions in the transfer market (Hart and Mayo) and has taken a team that were quite hard to beat into a team that are about as potent as a dormouses cock.

I am still a 'fencer' and would have been an 'outer' if we had not taken at least a point at Swindon, but are we honestly happy to float about and put in sub-par performances until we reach the promised land of Falmer? What happens if the transfer business does not take off in January and we are relegated? Is Micky still the right man?

I will admit to being a bit of a lapsed fan, so my opinion should be somewhat diluted. Since I moved to London, I have only seen us play Colchester (my last game was the Millwall drubbing). There does not seem to be much to persuade me to spend £15+ on the train and £24+ for a ticket.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

If you're honest, how many of the current squad would you be REALLY bothered if we lost? For me, it's Murray, Michel, and Forster.

Plus Elphick, Fraser, Whing and Hinshelwood. Possibly all of them in some respect.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Elphick is decent enough but we could quite easily replace him. Fraser and Whing I presume you're on a wind-up with, and Hinshelwood is alright but when will he next be injured? Hardly one to base a team on. Bar Elphick, I don't see any of them playing any part in our promotion challenge next season.

I was talking about 'REALLY be bothered if we lost'.

PS If you have access to SKY, you should be watching Aus vs SA. At the parents' and it is making great viewing.