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[Football] Man City WILL BE RELEGATED from Premier League, says Football Finance Expert
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- Oct 20, 2022
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Anyone thinking Citeh will be deducted points before the European places are decided and hoping weāll benefit by taking a Europa place for next season is delusional imo.
IF Any decision is forthcoming before the end of the season, it will be immediately appealed and punishment will be pending outcome of those appeals which could take months.
Conkers
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Thought they already said it wonāt be until after the season has started that we will hear anything?
Also they will certainly appeal which will delay for another year I imagine
Also they will certainly appeal which will delay for another year I imagine
The European places have been decided.
The PL season has already ended.
Forest and Everton got deducted points, they appealed, and the decision was fairly quick.
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So who won the Conference league and Champions League final? I must have missed that.
European places havenāt already been decided. I wasnāt referring to Premier League places per se - UEFA need to finalise all teams for next year not just those earned by Premier League qualification
pedantry - it ended a few hours ago but as I said, European places for next season are still to be finalised.
Everton and Forest had one or two simple recent charges and admitted their guilt. Man Citeh is protesting against 115 complex charges breaching FFP rules over a 9 year period dating back to 2009 - The Citeh investigation has been going on 6 years.
Citeh was barred from European football in 2020 for 2 years when UEFA found them guilty of breaching the FFP rules and they had also had a ā¬30m fine if I recall.
After appeal, CAS overturned the UEFA decision and the Court reversed the ban and reduced the fine to ā¬10m.
It took from February 2020 until July 2020 (6 months) for that final decision to go through the legal appeals process. When a team contests the charges, and the punishments, appeals take months and Citeh will also appeal to CAS for any sanctions made against them this time too.
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So who won the Conference league and Champions League final? I must have missed that.
European places havenāt already been decided.
pedantry - it ended a few hours ago but as I said, European places for next season are still to be finalised.
Everton and Forest had one or two simple recent charges and admitted their guilt. Man Citeh is protesting against 115 complex charges breaching FFP rules over a 9 year period dating back to 2009 - The Citeh investigation has been going on 6 years.
Citeh was barred from European football in 2020 for 2 years when UEFA found them guilty of breaching the FFP rules and they had also had a ā¬30m fine if I recall.
After appeal, CAS overturned the UEFA decision and the Court reversed the ban and reduced the fine to ā¬10m.
It took from February 2020 until July 2020 (6 months) for that final decision to go through the legal appeals process. When a team contests the charges, and the punishments, appeals take months.
This "Citeh" thing is a bit annoying.
So who won the Conference league and Champions League final? I must have missed that.
European places havenāt already been decided. I wasnāt referring to Premier League places per se - UEFA need to finalise all teams for next year not just those earned by Premier League qualification
Why are you laughing? Are you trying to be smug and clever?
As far as I know, the European places have been decided. Please state which ones you think haven't.
Not that other European countries matter, the Premier League only need to concern themselves with the position of PL teams in the final table. What clubs from other countries qualify for Europe doesn't matter to the decision on Man City.
It's not pedantry to point out that the season has ended. The whole reason that we can now expect a decision is precisely because the season has ended. It's ok that you got it wrong.
US Seagull
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Either they announce something in the next few weeks, or I think we won't hear anything until the end of ānext season.
Teams have plans to make and can't wait all summer wondering will they or won't they.
Teams have plans to make and can't wait all summer wondering will they or won't they.
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no it was meant as a friendly sarcastic joke - thatās what the laughing emoji was for
Canāt be arsed to argue out the rest of your comments because youāve completely misrepresented the original meaning of my post to try and make me look stupid
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no it was meant as a sarcastic joke - thatās what the laughing emoji was for
I don't get it
That's incorrect. The two CL finalist are in the CL next season already, as are Chelsea. Real Betis are already in the Europa League, so that result doesn't matter either. It's all decided.
The case is between the PL and Man City, it's not UEFA. And also, as above, the places are decided.
No, that's incorrect. There has been a court case and the case has finished. At some point, the result of that case will be announced. They're not going to 'never announce it' simply because Man City deny the charges.
We don't know whether they'll be found guilty, whether they'll appeal, or how long such an appeal could take. But it we could get the decision pretty soon.
No, their place in Europe wouldn't be bounces down the table, City would be bounced down the table, and other teams would finish one place higher.
A dullard has stated Man City will not be able to appeal.I don't get it
That's incorrect. The two CL finalist are in the CL next season already, as are Chelsea. Real Betis are already in the Europa League, so that result doesn't matter either. It's all decided.
The case is between the PL and Man City, it's not UEFA. And also, as above, the places are decided.
No, that's incorrect. There has been a court case and the case has finished. At some point, the result of that case will be announced. They're not going to 'never announce it' simply because Man City deny the charges.
We don't know whether they'll be found guilty, whether they'll appeal, or how long such an appeal could take. But it we could get the decision pretty soon.
No, their place in Europe wouldn't be bounces down the table, City would be bounced down the table, and other teams would finish one place higher.
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I don't get it
No, their place in Europe wouldn't be bounces down the table, City would be bounced down the table, and other teams would finish one place higher.
Again misinterpreted my post - I was talking about Man City bouncing down several (out?) places in the PL table NOT their CL place bouncing down - clearly not making myself clear again
Honestly, just let it go - you are like a dog with a bone and as I have said, we were talking about different things an
nd you keep creating straw arguments with what I write - I also didnāt say the case was between UEFA and City, I was only referring to the charges bought by UEFA in 2020 to demonstrate how City successfully appealed against punishments and how long the appeal took
I really donāt think Man City will be forfeiting their European place any time soon (if ever) based on the outcome of previous charges - the only reason the EPL was able to bring the charges when they did is because the PL doesnāt recognise a statute of limitations.
Once a judgment is made, both the Premier League and Man City have 14 days to appeal afaia.
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If it annoys you, try some gardening to clear you mind.
For example, moin the lawn.
Again misinterpreted my post - I was talking about Man City bouncing down several (out?) places in the PL table NOT their CL place bouncing down - clearly not making myself clear again
You said "You are also assuming that if City do have points deducted then their place bounced down the table - thatās not necessarily the case." So you're suggesting that it's possible that City go down (or out of) the league, and no one else gets their CL place. I don't see how no one else would get their place, so I'm disagreeing with you.
I bounced this thread because the season has finished and the result of the court case could now be announced. You chose to reply and say I was delusional for thinking City would be deducted points before the European places were decided. I pointed out that the European places have been decided. You've chosen to argue with me about that, so I'm arguing back, because you're wrong. You could have just left it, or you could have admitted your mistake (no big deal either way), but instead you've continued to argue about it. It's that simple, so there's no straw argument.
I know you didn't see the case was with UEFA, but you were saying that the season hasn't ended, so I'm pointing out that the PL doesn't need to wait for games outside of the PL to end. I can see that you thought the two European finals could have had a bearing on European qualification, but 1) it turns out that the don't and 2) I can't see why that would matter to whether or not City get a points deduction anyway.
Well you might well be right there.
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Iām trying say (but you seem not to want to hear it) that how this seasonās qualifiers are impacted, if at all, will depend on when the decision is made - if City lose their right to continue with a European campaign, depending on when that decision is made, then, no, their CL place wonāt necessarily be available to the next qualifier - the EPL could just end up with one less CL team competing in Europe and/or any points deduction could be deferred to next seasonās PL points so wonāt impact on any chance we had/have of getting into Europe this season.
We LITERALLY DONāT KNOW because we donāt know a/ what the punishments will be and b/ when a decision will be made.
As for my comments re Europe - I was referring to other top flight Associationsā with teams in qualifying positions - they will have teams which remain undecided until the outcome of whoever wins Champions/Conference places.
You seem like you need a big AFFIRMATION for being so clever, so I give you a big CYBERHUG and
If the PL defer a points deduction to next season, obviously that won't impact European places this season. That goes without saying. If the PL dock points this season, but manage to leave it until the last minute, so that City miss CL football, and no one else gets their place, that would be bloody madness. What's the point in adding that nonsense to the conversation?
If the PL want the points deducted this season, then obviously they should announce it pretty soon, and if that happens, and City fall down the league, then of course the teams who take their place in the table will also take their European place. Why are you wanting to argue with that?
No they won't! Stop getting it wrong! Whoever wins the CL or Conference does not affect who goes to Europe next year.
And this is a discussion about the PL and City anyway, so it wouldn't matter if the outcome was undecided (which it isn't!!!)
You seem like you need a big AFFIRMATION for being so clever, so I give you a big CYBERHUG and
You replied to my post suggesting I was deluded and that the season hadn't finished yet, and when I point out to you that the season has ended, you kept moving the goalposts and bringing other European leagues into in - and when that didn't help your case, because you can see that all positions have been decided, you try and blame me.
You made a mistake, it's fine. All you had to do was accept it and we move on, but you chose to argue about it. You picked the wrong person to gaslight because like you said, I'm like a dog with a bone.