Lord Tebbit's views on gay marriage

[Mackenzie]

Tebbit is 82 years old, he comes from a different time.

 

[Jim D]

....... But Tebbit's intervention ignores the fact that incest has been illegal for centuries and nothing in this legislation will change that....

Can you have incest between two people of the same sex? That's what Norm was talking about.

 

[BLOCK F]

You sound very religious for some who is an atheist. As an atheist myself, surely the whole point is to live and let live?

Buttery,I am not in the slightest bit religious and generally I am all for 'live and let live.'However,society has to have some structure to it and to me,traditional marriage is the best place to have and bring up children.Statistics seem to show I am correct.
As I said,I am not going to enter into a prolonged discussion as it has all been done before and anyway,got to go for an eyetest soon!

 

[BLOCK F]

But gay people are part of society so why shouldn't they be part of that bedrock you so crave ?

What is wrong with Civil Partnerships for gays and marriage for man and woman,who generally are more likely to have children and raise a family.
My main concern about gay marriage is that it may well dilute traditional marriage even more than it is already.IMHO,anything that dilutes marriage will inevitably be detrimental to children,who it has been shown thrive best within a traditional family where mother and father are married.
We will probably not agree,so I will leave it there and anyway, I have to go out soon.

 

[beorhthelm]

...My main concern about gay marriage is that it may well dilute traditional marriage even more than it is already.IMHO,anything that dilutes marriage will inevitably be detrimental to children,...

what have children got to do with it? why are marriage and family units assumed to be the same thing? i dont see anyone advocating elderly or infertile shouldnt marry.

 

[John Bumlick]

Buttery,I am not in the slightest bit religious and generally I am all for 'live and let live.'However,society has to have some structure to it and to me,traditional marriage is the best place to have and bring up children.Statistics seem to show I am correct.
As I said,I am not going to enter into a prolonged discussion as it has all been done before and anyway,got to go for an eyetest soon!

genuine question - which statistics? please provide a link if possible.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Can you have incest between two people of the same sex? That's what Norm was talking about.

Think Jedward.

 

[The Buttery Biscuit Base]

Surely its diluted so much over time, that now it is just a contract that two people sign.

Society allowed females to choose, fathers have very little say in who women marry, females are no longer bought with a dowry, divorce, bigamy is illegal, inter-racial marriages are allowed...

What is a traditional marriage anyway? How far do we want to go back? Romans had same sex-marriages, that would be traditional.

Will infertile people who cannot provide children have to get a civil partnership as they will not serve they 'purpose' of marriage?

To have a civil partnership for one group in society and marriage for another group are not equal rights. That is what the issue boils down to, the equal treatment of every citizen.


Personally I think people will look back and think 'what was all the fuss about?' Like we do now on the legalization of homosexuality...

 

[Simster]

I'm just waiting for "goldstone"'s view on this. Should be a chuckle.

 

[El Presidente]

Incorrect. The whole point of atheism is about lack of belief in a God it's not a moral code. There's plenty of atheists who have been nasty bar stewards.

Agree entirely, and I'm from the fundamentalist wing of atheism too.

 

[El Presidente]

Tebbit is 82 years old, he comes from a different time.

True, 1846 I think.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Buttery,I am not in the slightest bit religious and generally I am all for 'live and let live.'However,society has to have some structure to it and to me,traditional marriage is the best place to have and bring up children.Statistics seem to show I am correct.
As I said,I am not going to enter into a prolonged discussion as it has all been done before and anyway,got to go for an eyetest soon!

So what about parents that don't marry or who break up? Surely gay couples having children would be a tiny minority compared to heterosexual parents out of wedlock or single parents? Why would you base an opinion on gay marriage based on parenting!?

I wasn't aware getting married was a prerequisite for having children, or that having children was a requirement!

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

Begging the point, and geting away from the whole gay marriage legality issue, but what if the only way a monarch can produce an heir is by using IVF ( say because her husband is infertile or maybe she had ovarian cancer ) and a donor has to be found, does that make them legitimate, or not? If the answer is yes, then the whole issue of wether the Queen is in a marriage with a man or women is surely irrelevant.

Over to you Lord T.........

 

[Bold Seagull]

Hi Westdene,without wishing to get into prolonged discussions,I just believe that traditional marriage will become even more diluted than it is now.It is almost seen as irrelevant to some people,but I see it as the bedrock of society,the family and children.
I also believe that marriage should ideally happen before having children....not the other way round.
I am all for people living together before committing to each other,but just wait until you can before having the kids.
A bit off subject I know!

So by your own logic, the more people that can show the universal commitment of marriage, the better? Surely the bedrock of society is stability and equality - doesn't allowing gay people to show an equal level of commitment to everyone else a logical step forward to your own argument?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

So, given Tebbit's assertion that same-sex marriage would make marrying a sibling of the same sex acceptable, logic dictates that he feels it is currently acceptable to marry a sibling of the opposite sex.