Lewes Road speed limit

[GingerBeerMan]

Agree with the thinking behind it but do the powers to be really expect the taxi drivers using the bus lane to patiently sit behind a stationary bus at a stop ? It's not going to happen is it they will be be switching lanes constantly Or will the cameras pick up the offending vehicles, or would it not be an actual offence for either taxi's or motorcycles to changes lanes to and from a bus lane.I had assume the solid white was for this purpose?

Can anyone clear this up? I see it's a thick white line, does it carry the same purpose as other white lines which separate roads, or is it there to show cars can't enter the lane?

I was talking about the effect of traffic, such as motorcycles, weaving in and out of the main traffic lane. This causes the vehicles in the main lane to brake. And braking causes irregular speeds and longer queues to form.

In other words, bus lanes work best if they are restricted to vehicles that will stay in them all the time. Motorcyclists won't. They are weavers.

Motorbikes would weave in one lane anyway. Giving them an option of a free lane to use for 90% of the journey would decrease the problem of weaving.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Can anyone clear this up? I see it's a thick white line, does it carry the same purpose as other white lines which separate roads, or is it there to show cars can't enter the lane?

The thick white line, along with associated road signs, is there to mark the bus lane. Cars commit an offence if they enter or use bus lanes. As far as I can see, there is nothing in the Highway Code that specifically says that vehicles in the bus lane mustn't cross the white line to lave the bus lane.

Motorbikes would weave in one lane anyway. Giving them an option of a free lane to use for 90% of the journey would decrease the problem of weaving.

Is this the case? I suspect that each bus lane will vary, and the extent of the problem of weaving will depend on the levels of traffic using the adjacent main traffic lane. This is probably why the use of bus lanes by motorcycles is usually introduced initially as an experimental arrangement, rather than being a feature of all bus lanes.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

The thick white line, along with associated road signs, is there to mark the bus lane. Cars commit an offence if they enter or use bus lanes. As far as I can see, there is nothing in the Highway Code that specifically says that vehicles in the bus lane mustn't cross the white line to lave the bus lane.

OK, thanks.

I haven't actually read anything on the internet about the Lewes road bus lanes being opened for this trail. Only the A23 and the A259. Anyone have a link?

 

[Garage_Doors]

I was talking about the effect of traffic, such as motorcycles, weaving in and out of the main traffic lane. This causes the vehicles in the main lane to brake. And braking causes irregular speeds and longer queues to form.

In other words, bus lanes work best if they are restricted to vehicles that will stay in them all the time. Motorcyclists won't. They are weavers.

I agree motorcycles weave, but you have completely missed the point, a bike will come up to a stationary bus then pull out past the bus,

The taxi will do exactly the same, do really think a taxi will sit behind a stationary bus waiting for it to move whilst traffic to the right is moving freely, the taxi will do the same as a bike but will be a bigger hinderance as it bigger and will cause cars to slow as they pull out.
There is no diffrence in behaviour between taxi drivers or motorcyclists in bus lanes.

I assume motorcyclists can only use the bus lane and not the cycle lane?
May seen a little strange but a motorcycle is a cycle ?

 

[pauli cee]

I drive up and down Lewes road most days, and am a tad confused..
Driving south I turn off to the left for coombe road, and driving north I turn left at Coldean Lane.
There however appears to be no road markings indicating where I can legally enter the bus lanes to do this?
Also there appears to be no cameras anywhere

 

[Official Old Man]

Just to clarify a couple of things.
There is a 40mph sign as you leave the A27 but nothing more until the 20mph at the vogue. The 30mph signs have all been removed so this must mean a 20 limit going in. But from where? And if you get flashed outside Mithras House then appeal as there is no speed limit signage.
I mentioned bus cameras. I know I read that a camera placed in a position to only catch motorists is illegal. It must have another use.
And coming in today (Thursday 9:45am) there was a queue of six (SIX) buses lined up behind each other with the front one stopped at a stop, and no car would let the back buses into the car lane even though they tried.

 

[Seasidesage]

Just to clarify a couple of things.
There is a 40mph sign as you leave the A27 but nothing more until the 20mph at the vogue. The 30mph signs have all been removed so this must mean a 20 limit going in. But from where? And if you get flashed outside Mithras House then appeal as there is no speed limit signage.
I mentioned bus cameras. I know I read that a camera placed in a position to only catch motorists is illegal. It must have another use.
And coming in today (Thursday 9:45am) there was a queue of six (SIX) buses lined up behind each other with the front one stopped at a stop, and no car would let the back buses into the car lane even though they tried.

Agree totally, accident waiting to happen, and when it does it will of course be the big bad motorist yet again. It's a poorly designed and ill thought out scheme...

 

[Seasidesage]

I drive up and down Lewes road most days, and am a tad confused..
Driving south I turn off to the left for coombe road, and driving north I turn left at Coldean Lane.
There however appears to be no road markings indicating where I can legally enter the bus lanes to do this?
Also there appears to be no cameras anywhere

Same thing, it's dangerous, especially for cyclists...

 

[The Large One]

Just to clarify a couple of things.
There is a 40mph sign as you leave the A27 but nothing more until the 20mph at the vogue. The 30mph signs have all been removed so this must mean a 20 limit going in. But from where? And if you get flashed outside Mithras House then appeal as there is no speed limit signage.
I mentioned bus cameras. I know I read that a camera placed in a position to only catch motorists is illegal. It must have another use.
And coming in today (Thursday 9:45am) there was a queue of six (SIX) buses lined up behind each other with the front one stopped at a stop, and no car would let the back buses into the car lane even though they tried.

It's going to be 30mph from Coldean Lane to Vogue Gyratory, not 20mph.

The project is nearing completion (three months ahead of schedule) with the signs being the last thing to go in.

 

[Garage_Doors]

And coming in today (Thursday 9:45am) there was a queue of six (SIX) buses lined up behind and no car would let the back buses into the car lane even though they tried.

According to LB the bus lanes are single no exit lanes. It would be illegal for a bus to cross the thick white line as would it be for a motorcycle or taxi.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Apparently so.

I sometimes take the bus to the Amex. It's been much quicker this season than previously.

Green propaganda from TLO, surprise surprise¡

 

[Spun Cuppa]

Just as an aside, I was on a bendy 25 coming from Palmeira Square towards Brighton today, and I noticed a cyclist being pinched (?) between the rear section of the bus and the curb. The bus overtook him, but when it stopped, the cyclist went past, stopped and approached the driver, asking him why he didn't allow him more room. The driver asked him if he had hit him, to which the cyclist said no, which was replied to with, 'If I didn't hit you, you had enough room...' Supposed professional driver coming out with tripe like that. Gives the considerate ones a bad name

 

[blue2]

How anyone can honestly think these road alterations are for the better Is beyond me, traffic backing up spewing out fumes alongside a cycle lane which is for most of the time empty, just wait until the cold weather arrives this will be empty, a bus lane with few buses and outside class times even fewer passengers

 

[blue2]

Oh and don't get me started on the 20 miles an hour speed limit with these changes no will get anyway near those sort of speeds

 

[The Large One]

Green propaganda from TLO, surprise surprise¡

Political naivety and factual ignorance from wellquickwoody. Surprise, surprise.

 

[Creaky]

Just to clarify a couple of things.
There is a 40mph sign as you leave the A27 but nothing more until the 20mph at the vogue. The 30mph signs have all been removed so this must mean a 20 limit going in. But from where? And if you get flashed outside Mithras House then appeal as there is no speed limit signage.
I mentioned bus cameras. I know I read that a camera placed in a position to only catch motorists is illegal. It must have another use.
And coming in today (Thursday 9:45am) there was a queue of six (SIX) buses lined up behind each other with the front one stopped at a stop, and no car would let the back buses into the car lane even though they tried.

Where a road is lit by lamp posts that are no more than 200 yards apart then a 30mph speed limit applies unless there are repeater signs, (no more than 200 yards apart), to say otherwise.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

According to LB the bus lanes are single no exit lanes. It would be illegal for a bus to cross the thick white line as would it be for a motorcycle or taxi.

That's NOT what I said. This is what I said in Post #42:-

The thick white line, along with associated road signs, is there to mark the bus lane. Cars commit an offence if they enter or use bus lanes. As far as I can see, there is nothing in the Highway Code that specifically says that vehicles in the bus lane mustn't cross the white line to leave the bus lane.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

... a bus lane with few buses and outside class times even fewer passengers ...

In the busiest section of Lewes Road, there are 41 buses an hour running in each direction. The bus company doesn't provide this level of service merely to carry empty furniture about.

 

[mune ni kamome]

I drive up and down Lewes road most days, and am a tad confused..
Driving south I turn off to the left for coombe road, and driving north I turn left at Coldean Lane.
There however appears to be no road markings indicating where I can legally enter the bus lanes to do this?
Also there appears to be no cameras anywhere

You are not the only one confused. I turned left at Coldean Lane the other week and had no idea whether I was allowed to cross the solid line of the bus lane.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

You are not the only one confused. I turned left at Coldean Lane the other week and had no idea whether I was allowed to cross the solid line of the bus lane.

The left turn from Lewes Road into Coldean Lane doesn't involve crossing a solid white line. It's marked with a dashed line and a clearly painted arrow indicating where left-turning traffic can cross from the main traffic lane into the left-turning lane.