Lewes District Council drop Falmer case?

[Curious Orange]

As we are on English Grammar Lerssons I was always told never starta sentence with And.

Apart from that!

What is the point of requesting the interested parties to submit evidence during the next 6 weeks, if it is not to be considered?

It is now deemed grammatically acceptable to start a sentence with 'And', and also 'But', but not with 'However'.

But all that is entirely off topic, what we have to bare in mind is that we are now at least a couple of months closer to our goal of a stadium at the University of Brighton!!

 

[hans kraay fan club]

It is now deemed grammatically acceptable to start a sentence with 'And', and also 'But', but not with 'However'.

But all that is entirely off topic, what we have to bare in mind is that we are now at least a couple of months closer to our goal of a stadium at the University of Brighton!!

Sorry, but I disagree.

Whilst it would be wrong to start a sentence with 'However' in the following sense; "However, in this case Bensgrandad is correct", it would be perfectly acceptable to use it like this; "However one looks at the arguments, Norman Baker is clearly a deceitful little scrotum of a man".

 

[Buzzer]

Actually I have just remebered, that we kind off know this already. You were pictured by the broken crossbar at the York game, in your white jeans [nice]. I'm guessing you were late teens then, so you are roughly thirty.

I guess then you were a fairly immature, and less than politically aware teenager, when the tories were last in power. Certainly your recollections of the Thatcher administration will be hazy at best.

That, in part at least, explains your ignorance. Please feel free to tell me in hard facts, what is worse about the country in 2006, than when Thatcher left office. Hard facts please, not daily mail headlines.

umm...the whole instrument of Government and accountability being completely undermined by a Government that can't be bothered with the matter of law.

Double Jeopardy law being repealed.

Taking our country to war illegally.

The difference between rich and poor being even greater.

The tax burden on ordinary families being greater.

JOHN f***ing PRESCOTT et al.

Hospital closures plans and redundancies happening at a record rate.

The right to expression and free speech.

Police accountability.

The litter on Brighton's streets.

Crime rates.

Police detection rates.

My f***ing council tax bill.

Political Spin.

How much we are America's poodle.

Detention without trial being extended.

The rate at which greenfield sites in the south East are reducing.

Political correctness

Political sleaze (What's worse - a backbench MP taking a bung or a £1m donation buying Government policy?)

I guess that you're a bit patronising about people who disagree with your views. This, in part at least, explains the tone of your post.

 

[The Auditor]

umm...the whole instrument of Government and accountability being completely undermined by a Government that can't be bothered with the matter of law.

Double Jeopardy law being repealed.

Taking our country to war illegally.

The difference between rich and poor being even greater.

The tax burden on ordinary families being greater.

JOHN f***ing PRESCOTT et al.

Hospital closures plans and redundancies happening at a record rate.

The right to expression and free speech.

Police accountability.

The litter on Brighton's streets.

Crime rates.

Police detection rates.

My f***ing council tax bill.

Political Spin.

How much we are America's poodle.

Detention without trial being extended.

The rate at which greenfield sites in the south East are reducing.

Political correctness

Political sleaze (What's worse - a backbench MP taking a bung or a £1m donation buying Government policy?)

I guess that you're a bit patronising about people who disagree with your views. This, in part at least, explains the tone of your post.

Most of that applied under the Tories from 1979 to the mid 1990's

 

[Buzzer]

disagree with you on a lot of it but never mind.

The question was what is worse in 2006.

I reckons that all of the listed items are worse now than 10 years ago.

QED

 

[The Clown of Pevensey Bay]

All threads on NSC eventually become arguments about a) grammar; b) Thatcher; or c) both.

This is c). Could it be unstuck, please?

 

[The Large One]

disagree with you on a lot of it but never mind.

The question was what is worse in 2006.

I reckons that all of the listed items are worse now than 10 years ago.

QED

Actually, that's very f***ing far from QED.

 

[The Large One]

What is the point of requesting the interested parties to submit evidence during the next 6 weeks, if it is not to be considered?

Evidence apart from the 16 points Lewes raise.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

disagree with you on a lot of it but never mind.

The question was what is worse in 2006.

I reckons that all of the listed items are worse now than 10 years ago.

QED

I am as dissillusioned with politics and politicians as much as the next man, but just think that in any period when one party has been in for a long term, some people's recollection of the oppositions time in power get a little hazy.

The view among the right that things were great under the Tories, get them back in quick, just doesn't wash. Life in this country in the 80's was shit. Everyone was encouraged to be all me me me me me me. Socialism [in the true sense] went out of the window, and people were left to sink or swim.

Tens of thousands lost their homes, millions lost their livelihoods, whilst a few thrusting capitalists, held up as examples to us all, forged ahead feathering their own nests.

You have redundancies in your list, of things that are worse now. I am sorry if you find this patronising, but have you been drinking?

 

[Buzzer]

nope - way too early to drink.

You asked what was worse. I replied.

Didn't make judgements about whether Tories were good or bad, whether the 80s were halcyon times or not. Just mentioned a few things that are worse.

And I specifically mentioned redundancies in hospitals.

 

[PaoloRossiJohnson]

As a Brentford fan (but a Brighton resident of 13 years) I just wanted to wish you all luck with this. Falmer is the perfect site for a stadium the city can be proud of, and the nimbies hiding behind the AONB rubbish makes my blood boil. Falmer might well have been beautiful in 1961, but that has surely changed since the trunk road, 2 universities and water works have been built...

On the face of it this seems like good news, but it is clear the battle is not yet won. Hope it happens soon, not least so I can watch some decent footie in the dry when the Bees are away!

Rather than contributing to the mini-debate in the above posts, I'd rather thank stevil for his post...

 

[somerset]

Life in this country in the 80's was shit. Everyone was encouraged to be all me me me me me me.

.... as opposed to now when we are all encouraged to say give me, give me, give me........

PS... and by the way, the 80's were only shit if you were a lazy parasite on society not prepared to work hard for your living, or alternatively were a defiant trade unionists determined to undermine the government irrespective of the consequences.

 

[The Large One]

.... as opposed to now when we are all encouraged to say give me, give me, give me........

PS... and by the way, the 80's were only shit if you were a lazy parasite on society not prepared to work hard for your living, or alternatively were a defiant trade unionists determined to undermine the government irrespective of the consequences.

Lazy parasites? Like the hundreds of thousands laid off by government action, with little or no opportunity of employment unless you uprooted your life against you and your wishes. Like the miners. And the steelworkers. And the BT staff. And the car-plant workers. And the Armed Forces. Entire families' lives and communities put on the scrap heap for the sake of a few quid. Very parasitical.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

..

, the 80's were only shit if you were a lazy parasite on society not prepared to work hard for your living, or alternatively were a defiant trade unionists determined to undermine the government irrespective of the consequences.

Well personally, I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my entire life, unless you count statutory child benefit of 15 quid a week or whatever it is.

I have never been a member of any trade union, unless you count the NUS.

I still say the political culture of the 80's was shit.

The starting point of running a country must surely be the economy. It is much healthier now than then.

The boom and bust cycle of the Tory years was about as destructive a force on society as you can imagine. If you were neither a lazy parasite or a defiant trade unionist, but a hard-working member of society who lost their savings when their house was respossesed after their factory closed down, do you think your memories would be fond ones?

 

[somerset]

Lazy parasites? Like the hundreds of thousands laid off by government action, with little or no opportunity of employment unless you uprooted your life against you and your wishes. Like the miners. And the steelworkers. And the BT staff. And the car-plant workers. And the Armed Forces. Entire families' lives and communities put on the scrap heap for the sake of a few quid.

....... so the action being permitted, nee encouraged by the current sham of a government in allowing tens of thousands of jobs to migrate to the sub-continent and elsewhere is not for the sake of a few quid?....... at least the aim of the government of the 80's was to streamline for the sake of the British economy, the current moves do nothing other than puff up the Indian economy.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

[at least the aim of the government of the 80's was to streamline for the sake of the British economy, . [/B]

Sorry but that is bollocks.

The general gist was, "why invest in these companies [and people] when we can sell them off now, and generate some quick cash to pay off some of our overstretched borrowing.

We can sell it on the cheap to the masses, let them turn a quick profit and everybody's happy. "

Except they weren't. The share offers benefitted only those with spare cash to invest. Those who didn't paid for others' windfalls with their jobs.

It was all short-termism and it was wrong. Perhaps you personally did well out of it and think it was a jolly good wheeze. Hundreds of thousands didn't and would disagree. There is the crux of it.

 

[The Large One]

....... so the action being permitted, nee encouraged by the current sham of a government in allowing tens of thousands of jobs to migrate to the sub-continent and elsewhere is not for the sake of a few quid?....... at least the aim of the government of the 80's was to streamline for the sake of the British economy, the current moves do nothing other than puff up the Indian economy.

They don't 'allow' it in the manner of it being an active government policy. It's private businesses who are offloading work to India, stemming from the policy of non-interventionalism from central government, started Ronald Reagan and fully embraced by the Tories in the 1980s. Some of these are businesses which were once owned by the state before being flogged off like the family silver, and would therefore have never dreamed of being allowed to do it.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

They don't 'allow' it in the manner of it being an active government policy. It's private businesses who are offloading work to India, stemming from the policy of non-interventionalism from central government, started Ronald Reagan and fully embraced by the Tories in the 1980s. Some of these are businesses which were once owned by the state before being flogged off like the family silver, and would therefore have never dreamed of being allowed to do it.

Without wishing to get heavily involved in this debate, were the government not 'forced' to sell some of the 'crown jewels' as they could not afford to subsidise them any further?

It seems that the boom bust period ended and left Major to steady the ship towards the end of his reign - for the Bliarites to claim as their own work.

 

[The Large One]

Without wishing to get heavily involved in this debate, were the government not 'forced' to sell some of the 'crown jewels' as they could not afford to subsidise them any further?

It seems that the boom bust period ended and left Major to steady the ship towards the end of his reign - for the Bliarites to claim as their own work.

I wouldn't say 'forced'. They saw an easy way out which happened to coincide with their policies on free market economy, and went for it.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I wouldn't say 'forced'. They saw an easy way out which happened to coincide with their policies on free market economy, and went for it.

I did mean it in the loosest of senses.

There is no denying that these industries needed new levels of heavy investment, that the government simply could not manage, due to years of neglect by Labour and the Conservatives.