[Football] Leandro Trossard **Sold To Arsenal 20/01/2023**

[jcdenton08]

but to be fair to him, that was true at the time. Chelsea swooped in and hijacked the deal with a better one

We never accepted or were going to accept Man City’s offer, which was very low in comparison to his value at the time of selling. Him kicking off over this was the catalyst to him actually going - that plus Chelsea’s comically large offer.

This is why he got dogs abuse at the Amex the likes of which I’ve never seen before or since - or likely will again. It was a cauldron that day. Magnificent

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

isnt that what he said about Cucurella to Man City?

Yes. He was right. Terms were agreed with the player and man city were making offers but rejected.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

So 'Arsenal have opened talks' but 'personal terms already agreed' and 'talks will continue'?

Maybe I'm being naive, but... WTF?

Clubs won't want to start making offers until they have agreed in principle with players/agents the basic terms of the contract. Standard now.

 

[GoingUp]

I hope Arteta doesn't shout too loud at him.

 

[jcdenton08]

So 'Arsenal have opened talks' but 'personal terms already agreed' and 'talks will continue'?

Maybe I'm being naive, but... WTF?

A lot of deals - the majority - are done by agents talking to buying clubs about their clients demands. For example, Trossard’s agent and several clubs are having conversations about wages, bonuses, signing on fees and getting expectations agreed. Then it’s simply a case of going to the selling club and saying “everything is agreed in principle, my player wants to leave” then finalising the fee or saying he’s not for sale.

There’s no point going through weeks of negotiating over transfer fees/clauses and getting all the legal paperwork drawn up if the player doesn’t want to leave and says no anyway. If they’re under contract they don’t HAVE to go anywhere, especially if they are being paid handsomely.

Look at half of Barcelona’s team, people like Benito Carbone, Winston Bogarde for examples of this…

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Clubs won't want to start making offers until they have agreed in principle with players/agents the basic terms of the contract. Standard now.

Fair enough. Makes a bit of a mockery of the whole 'tapping up' thing, then! Also, I thought I'd seen instances where deals had been 'done', but then personal terms couldn't be agreed – or were yet to be agreed? I guess it works all ways...

 

[jcdenton08]

Whether you like him or not he calls about 90% of transfers accurately and as we all know (Pritchard for example) things can and do change at the last minute

He gets an awful lot wrong, his “misses” are buried and the “hits” emphasised. It’s absolute bullshit 101. Try watching a psychic doing a cold read, it’s the same principle. Common sense (X player is available, X club have money), a few insider tips here and there and a lot of bravado.

I saw a post on social media with his prediction/rumour rate and he’s right around 32% of the time even with his alleged “contacts”

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Fair enough. Makes a bit of a mockery of the whole 'tapping up' thing, then! Also, I thought I'd seen instances where deals had been 'done', but then personal terms couldn't be agreed – or were yet to be agreed? I guess it works all ways...

The basic terms of the contract can be agreed but then when the lawyers get involved it could break down over something in the detail/clauses etc.

There's a 4 part documentary available on Sky at the moment following players and agents during the '22 summer transfer window. The agents are actively sourcing buying clubs, mediating between clubs, agreeing terms to the deals before offers are made etc etc. The bid being made/accepted is almost the 2nd to last thing that happens.

As you say, the concept of 'tapping up' being an issue is long gone.

 

[Bridcutt]

Apparently we want £30m for him. No chance we get that money for a year and a half left on his contract + out of favour

 

[jcdenton08]

Fair enough. Makes a bit of a mockery of the whole 'tapping up' thing, then! Also, I thought I'd seen instances where deals had been 'done', but then personal terms couldn't be agreed – or were yet to be agreed? I guess it works all ways...

Exactly this. There are all kinds of deals done, but nowadays it’s all agent led with the clubs being the final call rather than the first. Player power.

 

[Gwylan]

There’s no point going through weeks of negotiating over transfer fees/clauses and getting all the legal paperwork drawn up if the player doesn’t want to leave and says no anyway. If they’re under contract they don’t HAVE to go anywhere, especially if they are being paid handsomely.

They can even be transferred and still not want to go. Remember the David Unsworth move to Villa? He'd been there a couple of minutes and said it was a big mistake as his wife didn't want to live in Birmingham; he got sold within days.

I don't think any club wants a repeat of that

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Apparently we want £30m for him. No chance we get that money for a year and a half left on his contract + out of favour

Apparently no one knows apart from the those at the top of the club.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

He gets an awful lot wrong, his “misses” are buried and the “hits” emphasised

Bit like Trossard in that regard...

 

[jcdenton08]

They can even be transferred and still not want to go. Remember the David Unsworth move to Villa? He'd been there a couple of minutes and said it was a big mistake as his wife didn't want to live in Birmingham; he got sold within days.

I don't think any club wants a repeat of that

Ultimately the player has to agree to move once they have a contract. You can’t force a player to move - you can try and manage them out, say it’s best for their career, etc - but if a player wants to train with the u18’s and collect 5 years worth of £50k a week, they can.

 

[Springal]

The club will know it won’t be a good look to Arsenal fans to not be able to sign Mudryk, and then not able to to sign a player who wants out.

Prob be £25M+add ons you’d imagine

 

[maltaseagull]

The club will know it won’t be a good look to Arsenal fans to not be able to sign Mudryk, and then not able to to sign a player who wants out.

Prob be £25M+add ons you’d imagine

My Grandaughter's boyfriend is a Gooner despite me warning her!

He is boasting that they have signed him. Maybe just being an Arse though.

 

[peterward]

Once Trossard and his agent have blurted out their stuff, every option is sub-optimal.

Fine him?- sub-optimal;
Don't fine him?- sub-optimal;
Make a club statement?- sub-optimal;
Keep quiet- sub-optimal;
Fingers in ears - meh, meh, meh - ignore it? - sub-optimal;
Ask Swansman what to do?- sub-optimal;
Make player train alone?- sub-optimal;
Make player train with the yoof?- sub-optimal;
Sell-off for a slightly lower price (if there's a buyer)?- sub-optimal.

Slap him round the chops with your left slipper for taking the piss.

Sub optimal bit surprisingly pleasurable.

 

[WhingForPresident]

This had better not end in us selling him and not bringing in a replacement...

 

[Farehamseagull]

Seems logical.

As much as I’ll be gutted if he goes as I love watching him, if there is no coming back which it seems we’re maybe at that point, then Arsenal makes a lot of sense. Ideal squad addition for them and he gets that move to a big club who are likely to win the league.

I’d like Arsenal to win the league as they’re the best side we’ve played this season, they’ve got some likeable players including White and they’re not City or United. So if he helps them do that then great. And it’s not Ch*****.

Unless Boehly wants to blow them out of the water of course and offer us £50m. I’d be happy with that too!

 

[perseus]

Arsenal agree personal terms for Leandro Trossard deal

Arsenal want Leandro Trossard of Brighton and have reportedly already struck a deal with the Belgian for a move

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