[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[Guinness Boy]

Nothing, you are as coherent as always, I was simply asking after your welfare.

Of course. Your concern is appreciated. Good to see you agree @AlbionBro is talking bollocks.

Trolls eh?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Of course. Your concern is appreciated. Good to see you agree @AlbionBro is talking bollocks.

Trolls eh?

Just to clarify, anyone questioning your views with quoted facts are trolling?

 

[BadFish]

Yep I kept doubling down and now we finally have the enquiry. Anything you want to say?

You must be thrilled. My concern is that this will be another 7 years before any recommendations are put into place.

My concern is that this new enquiry has been created to appease a public that cannot explain why it is necessary (as you have failed to do on this thread).

Would you like another chance explain what this enquiry will address that the last one didn't?

Anyway the decision is made so let's hope that in another 7 years some of the recommendations get implemented.

In the meantime I guess at least you can enjoying your crowing.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Just to clarify, anyone questioning your views with quoted facts are trolling?

The post I’m challenging was before I replied.

If it’s wrong then it’s potentially libel. I’m sure he’s checked it out legally before he’s posted though, so as you were.

 

[BadFish]

No.

What are you specifically challenging?

An answer to this question would be a first

 

[Weststander]

You must be thrilled. My concern is that this will be another 7 years before any recommendations are put into place.

My concern is that this new enquiry has been created to appease a public that cannot explain why it is necessary (as you have failed to do on this thread).

Would you like another chance explain what this enquiry will address that the last one didn't?

Anyway the decision is made so let's hope that in another 7 years some of the recommendations get implemented.

In the meantime I guess at least you can enjoying your crowing.

The current framework is for optional local enquiries on the grooming gangs, with no powers to compel witnesses to attend. Due to the incompetence and sometimes actual collusion (local officials took part in the sex offending against kids) there’s little faith that all localities will do the right thing.

A national enquiry deals with all these concerns.

No one caring and sensible, including Labour, called the Jay Enquiry the end of the matter. It’s remit was very wide. It’s known grooming gangs are still active. The victims themselves want a national enquiry, not least to get change. The police were bloody awful for starters.

 

[BadFish]

The current framework is for optional local enquiries on the grooming gangs, with no powers to compel witnesses to attend. Due to the incompetence and sometimes actual collusion (local officials took part in the sex offending against kids) there’s little faith that all localities will do the right thing.

A national enquiry deals with all these concerns.

No one caring and sensible, including Labour, called the Jay Enquiry the end of the matter. It’s remit was very wide. It’s known grooming gangs are still active. The victims themselves want a national enquiry, not least to get change. The police were bloody awful for starters.

Thanks for that info, so this one will be better and the outcomes and recommendations different?

Are any of the recommendations from the previous one worth implementing in the meantime?

 

[Ike and Tina Burner]

You must be thrilled. My concern is that this will be another 7 years before any recommendations are put into place.

My concern is that this new enquiry has been created to appease a public that cannot explain why it is necessary (as you have failed to do on this thread).

Would you like another chance explain what this enquiry will address that the last one didn't?

Anyway the decision is made so let's hope that in another 7 years some of the recommendations get implemented.

In the meantime I guess at least you can enjoying your crowing.

One victim of abuse said she named 100+ men who raped her and 200+ who targeted her overall. Only 7 were convicted

Baroness casey’s report is coming out next week where she recommends that an enquiry take place after previously saying one wasn’t needed. Who knows what has led to her changing her mind, but I imagine this announcement is the government getting ahead of some pretty horrific stuff.

This was our 9/11 pretty much, but people don't realise it because the establishment were so keen to cover it up rather than be called racist. There needs to be hundreds of prosecutions. Of the Police who knew and did nothing. Of the care workers, the social workers, the councillors. Of the family memebers who knew and helped hide the abuse.

The inquiry needs to focus on the cover up, the links between the gang members and establishment, the racist nature of the abuse targeted against white girls because they were kaffir. It should be granted some form of prosecutorial power. It needs to have fully independent judges. This should be about justice not just "how can we avoid this again in the future". Read the statement below and tell me we don't need more action

"A woman has told how she became pregnant at 15 and married the father in an Islamic wedding following years of abuse while she was in care. Her social worker recommended she be allowed to live with the older man and his family, care documents show. The woman said she was abused by numerous Asian men while living in a children's home in the care of Bradford social services."
The social worker attended the wedding too...

Bradford care home girl 'married' at 15

A girl became pregnant and was allowed to live with older man while in care at 15.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Weststander]

Thanks for that info, so this one will be better and the outcomes and recommendations different?

Are any of the recommendations from the previous one worth implementing in the meantime?

Slow progress.

The 20 child abuse inquiry recommendations - what has happened so far?

A seven-year inquiry into the sexual abuse of children was published in 2022 - what has happened since?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[BadFish]

Slow progress.

The 20 child abuse inquiry recommendations - what has happened so far?

A seven-year inquiry into the sexual abuse of children was published in 2022 - what has happened since?

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeah, the downside with these inquires are that they are so slow.

Over here the government are often accused of using them to slow progress on key issues. (Not suggesting that is what is happening here).

I would be interested to know what the victims and their representative groups think of this decision.

 

[Weststander]

Yeah, the downside with these inquires are that they are so slow.

Over here the government are often accused of using them to slow progress on key issues. (Not suggesting that is what is happening here).

I would be interested to know what the victims and their representative groups think of this decision.

Newsnight recently ran a very sad special with several of them in the studio. I can’t recall their view on that, but supporting charities and socially-minded solicitors long term acting for victims called for the national enquiry. Next to no faith in local police and councils/social services … Newsnight revealed why!

 

[DJ NOBO]

Yeah, the downside with these inquires are that they are so slow.

Over here the government are often accused of using them to slow progress on key issues. (Not suggesting that is what is happening here).

I would be interested to know what the victims and their representative groups think of this decision.

Similar heinous crimes were going on up and down the country in the same way. And authorities up and down the country were dealing with them in the same way.

How did that come about? Could it happen again with other criminal groups?
To what extent is it still happening now?

For all its faults, if the national inquiry system is the best way we have of getting into this then what else can be done?

 

[Chicken Run]

Yeah it’s wiped a whole two minutes off my evening.

Just caught up on this thread, a whole two minutes you say

 

[TomandJerry]

Another black hole potentially on the way

"Rachel Reeves is braced for revised forecasts by the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) to blow a £20bn hole in her tax and spending plans before the autumn budget

Even without changing the totals the chancellor set out in her spending review on Wednesday, a weaker forecast from the the Treasury’s independent watchdog could force her to find significantly more money at the budget to meet her “non-negotiable” fiscal rules."

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...st-tax-spending-plans-20bn-hole-autumn-budget

 

[nevergoagain]

Jeez. If you can post news of every councillor resignation during this parliament, we'll all salute you ...
... if not, you're just a twat

Alright, calm down keyboard warrior. Did you say the same to your red brothers on the Reform thread ?, thought not.

 

[cunning fergus]

I ask myself this...

If a Tory Health Secretary were receiving donations from companies in the private healthcare sector, would people be saying "I'm sure that's absolutely fine - doesn't look dodgy at all."

It might be absolutely fine, of course, but the optics are pretty shit.

The optics for any personal donation and/or gift to a politician or public official will NEVER look good.

The whole process needs to be reformed, any donation or gift should be received by and managed centrally by the Political Party.

Hospitality and donations for funding the Party apparatus are fine, money directly to MPs (regardless of source) less so.

It’s not that long ago that we found out that for a millionaire MP’s, and his missus, we’re getting free designer clobber. At best that’s just weird, at worst…………well time will tell.

 

[cunning fergus]

Similar heinous crimes were going on up and down the country in the same way. And authorities up and down the country were dealing with them in the same way.

How did that come about? Could it happen again with other criminal groups?
To what extent is it still happening now?

For all its faults, if the national inquiry system is the best way we have of getting into this then what else can be done?

The capacity of the state and associated establishment to cover up their incompetence and negligence should not be underestimated. In my lifetime we have experienced shameful scandal after shameful scandal at political and public officialdom (not to ignore the private sector).

We currently still have the blood transfusion scandal running, as is the Post Office system scandal. These are merely two recent examples, and no one politically or in those public offices comes out looking good.

This particular issue has the potential to be the most toxic issue in living memory, with national politicians, local politicians, social services, the police, judiciary, charities and media all implicated in negligence and/or suppressing the truth of the problem from being exposed.

Anyone who implicitly trusts the state on this issue and thinks “there’s nothing to see here” will be ignoring this long and sadly familiar track record of Governments and associated establishment (of all flavours) to hide bad shit.

If this is even a fraction bad of what we think it could be this will end hundreds if not thousands of politicians and public officials careers and reputations………...it’s why they have fought so hard in the past and why they continue to fight.

Shameful c*nts that they are.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

You must be thrilled. My concern is that this will be another 7 years before any recommendations are put into place.

My concern is that this new enquiry has been created to appease a public that cannot explain why it is necessary (as you have failed to do on this thread).

Would you like another chance explain what this enquiry will address that the last one didn't?

Anyway the decision is made so let's hope that in another 7 years some of the recommendations get implemented.

In the meantime I guess at least you can enjoying your crowing.

Only one will be crowing is Farage, he can spin this as win for reform and clip up Labour MPs calling those asking for an inquiry as far right.

More awful PR for Labour.