Kuipers vs Henderson

[Basil Fawlty]

I prefer Henderson to Kuipers, yes Henderson does mistakes but he redeems himself with some truely magnificent saves, espically last season against Preston North End, if it wasn't for him we could of lost that match 3-0.

 

[Scotty Mac]

If he was that good he would of gone on loan to a decent club not bloody Boston!!!

Take off those rose tinted specs and think about it without bias.

or been signed when he was on the transfer list

if kuipers plays well he should keep the shirt. although my favourite bit of commentary from the game was in the dying minutes, along the lines of "and kuipers with the kick, oh dear its gone straight to city"

 

[Basil Fawlty]

or been signed when he was on the transfer list

if kuipers plays well he should keep the shirt. although my favourite bit of commentary from the game was in the dying minutes, along the lines of "and kuipers with the kick, oh dear its gone straight to city"

That made me burst out laughing in the car yesterday.

 

[Scotty Mac]

I prefer Henderson to Kuipers, yes Henderson does mistakes but he redeems himself with some truely magnificent saves, espically last season against Preston North End, if it wasn't for him we could of lost that match 3-0.

but kevin, you are forgetting if it wasnt for kuipers we would have lost 10-2 against blackpool in 2001 - he is clearly better

 

[Basil Fawlty]

but kevin, you are forgetting if it wasnt for kuipers we would have lost 10-2 against blackpool in 2001 - he is clearly better

How did I forget that.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The thing is they both make mistakes and will carry on doing so, thus they are in league 1 - pople just need to be fair about it and not shift the blame when its Kuipers.

 

[B.W.]

You pick your best keeper... you don't make the wrong choice because one of them is a 3rd-choice international and can kick (only sliughtly) better... FDM for me... every time...

 

[Uncle Buck]

If you think Hendo will sit back and watch his international career destroyed by being on a League 1 bench for 2 to 5 years, you are having a laugh.

But if his form is not good enough or somebody else is playing better he should not be in the team and we should not pick him to protect his international career for Ireland.

I still maintain that Kuipers was the better keeper during pre-season, however Henderson started the season well enough, was not great against Brentford and had a shaky game against Crewe. Kuipers has the shirt (in theory), however we did not win, so McGhee will bring Henderson in.

 

[Silent Bob]

The thing is they both make mistakes and will carry on doing so, thus they are in league 1 - pople just need to be fair about it and not shift the blame when its Kuipers.

Agree completely but the whole debate becomes extremely polarised. People comaparing Kuipers save for the goal yesterday to Henderson's for the Crewe game is a perfect example.

 

[London Irish]

But he may have to move to better his international career as well. Then we're left with just Richie & Jonno.

Well, if that happens, it will presumably be to a high-profile, monied club and the club will be suitably financially rewarded. That's not a terrible thing in our current circumstances. Hendo is an investment in our future in a lot of ways, playing-wise, finance-wise, one we should carefully nurture. Realistically, is Kuipers?

 

[London Irish]

But if his form is not good enough or somebody else is playing better he should not be in the team and we should not pick him to protect his international career for Ireland.

I still maintain that Kuipers was the better keeper during pre-season, however Henderson started the season well enough, was not great against Brentford and had a shaky game against Crewe. Kuipers has the shirt (in theory), however we did not win, so McGhee will bring Henderson in.

Depends what you mean about "having the shirt", Hendo did not lose the shirt to Kuipers, he was unavailable because he was in the 16 to play Germany in Stuttgart, confirming him as Ireland's No2.

Of course we should not pick the Brighton team to protect Hendo's international career, that will be his concern. But if he decides that we are going to effectively punish him for the great honour of representing his country (and let's not forget he also brings a reflected honour to the Albion by doing this), then he may feel that the Albion is not the right place for him. And if you want to drive away one our prized assets from the club, then one way you could do that is to start treating him very badly with selection when he has not lost form in an Albion shirt.

To be honest, I am very surprised that you taking the view you are and once again I wonder if you are merely alighting on a viewpoint that you calculate will cause maximum mischief for your bete noire McGhee.

I say this because you have put any number of posts on here over the last year saying you believed that it was probably unlikely that we would retain two top keepers. Indeed, the views I've put on this thread about the unsustainability of keeping two high-quality keepers have been very influenced by your previous comments. Now you seem to be saying it's a good thing that we have some kind of seesaw selection policy between two such keepers when one is dropped for the perception of one bad game (even though it is disputed that Hendo did have a bad game against Crewe).

You often criticise McGhee's excessive tinkering regarding selection, arguing that there is a virtue in consistency of selection. Are you not guilty now yourself of dipping into the velvet bag and suddenly popping up with Kuipers' name, based on the pretty flimsy evidence of one supposed bad game by Hendo?

Realistically, we have to make a choice of who we see as our No1 and who we see as our No2 and stick with those choices barring a major loss of form. Hendo is the future of the club, Kuipers a near veteran with a problematic injury record. Hendo has not lost form, he is being unfairly punished by some fans for being part of some depressing memories of a team that was way out of its depth in the second half of last season.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Depends what you mean about "having the shirt", Hendo did not lose the shirt to Kuipers, he was unavailable because he was in the 16 to play Germany in Stuttgart, confirming him as Ireland's No2.

Of course we should not pick the Brighton team to protect Hendo's international career, that will be his concern. But if he decides that we are going to effectively punish him for the great honour of representing his country (and let's not forget he also brings a reflected honour to the Albion by doing this), then he may feel that the Albion is not the right place for him. And if you want to drive away one our prized assets from the club, then one way you could do that is to start treating him very badly with selection when he has not lost form in an Albion shirt.

To be honest, I am very surprised that you taking the view you are and once again I wonder if you are merely alighting on a viewpoint that you calculate will cause maximum mischief for your bete noire McGhee.

I say this because you have put any number of posts on here over the last year saying you believed that it was probably unlikely that we would retain two top keepers. Indeed, the views I've put on this thread about the unsustainability of keeping two high-quality keepers have been very influenced by your previous comments. Now you seem to be saying it's a good thing that we have some kind of seesaw selection policy between two such keepers when one is dropped for the perception of one bad game (even though it is disputed that Hendo did have a bad game against Crewe).

You often criticise McGhee's excessive tinkering regarding selection, arguing that there is a virtue in consistency of selection. Are you not guilty now yourself of dipping into the velvet bag and suddenly popping up with Kuipers' name, based on the pretty flimsy evidence of one supposed bad game by Hendo?

Realistically, we have to make a choice of who we see as our No1 and who we see as our No2 and stick with those choices barring a major loss of form. Hendo is the future of the club, Kuipers a near veteran with a problematic injury record. Hendo has not lost form, he is being unfairly punished by some fans for being part of some depressing memories of a team that was way out of its depth in the second half of last season.

The reality is we have both of these keepers, we are paying both of them and so the best should play. Kuiper to me had the better pre-season and so should have started the season.

Now Kuipers injury record is a concern, however at 31 he is not even near the veteran club of keepers. That is once they are about 37!!!

 

[Les Biehn]

The reality is we have both of these keepers, we are paying both of them and so the best should play. Kuiper to me had the better pre-season and so should have started the season.

Now Kuipers injury record is a concern, however at 31 he is not even near the veteran club of keepers. That is once they are about 37!!!

*pedant alert pedant alert*

He is 32.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I agree with London Irish - henderson has done nothing to deserved to be dropped - At the same time Kuipers did nothing more than Henderson had done in previous games.

 

[Les Biehn]

I agree with London Irish - henderson has done nothing to deserved to be dropped - At the same time Kuipers did nothing more than Henderson had done in previous games.

And I agree with you.

 

[Uncle Buck]

I agree with London Irish - henderson has done nothing to deserved to be dropped - At the same time Kuipers did nothing more than Henderson had done in previous games.

Well I would question some of his play in both the Crewe and Brentford games, but what bugged me more was that Kuipers looked better than Henderson in pre-season and yet still got over looked.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I wasnt there but didnt he boo boo for two of the MK Dons goals in final match?

 

[Uncle Buck]

I wasnt there but didnt he boo boo for two of the MK Dons goals in final match?

Seemingly, but certainly at Le Havre and Aldershot he kept us in the game during his half of the pitch.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Different games I know but no matter how many good saves you pull off if your one has cost the game that tends to be all that matters.

 

[Yoda]

Well, if that happens, it will presumably be to a high-profile, monied club and the club will be suitably financially rewarded. That's not a terrible thing in our current circumstances. Hendo is an investment in our future in a lot of ways, playing-wise, finance-wise, one we should carefully nurture. Realistically, is Kuipers?

But if we ship Kuipers out now as you're implying, then someone comes in for Hendo. What are we left with? Two inexperienced young goalkeepers.

Kuipers still has a part to play with all this talk about Hendo being the next biggest financial sale from this club.