[Music] Kneecap

[Herr Tubthumper]

I take it Kneecap are connected to Shin Fein

Genius. I salute you!

 

[London Irish]

As I said in #51, the context is there in plain sight. There is no needed to provide any further detail. It's no different to a parent saying to a child "you steal those biscuits again and I'll kill you". It's just a flippant comment said in the heat of the moment. That's the context. It's pretty clear that they are not advocating killing MPs anymore than this parent wants his child dead.

It's a bit like calling someone vermin, isn't it. What do you do with vermin? You put them down, you slaughter them. Am I going to get offended and start wailing about threats because random rightwing jerks call me vermin on NSC? No, because contrary to widespread belief, I'm not a massive fanny!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I take it Kneecap are connected to Shin Fein

I'm still giggling about this.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Can we try call for Coldplay's music to be banned next while we're here.

ColdplayRA?

 

[BN9 BHA]

I remember them playing in the pub on Mrs Brown's Boys

No one on here would have seen them

 

[Comrade Sam]

So you're condoning the murder of David Amess?

Nice.

Worse things happen to innocent children in Gaza, Yemen, Sudan and the Ukraine every day, so my grief is tempered some what.

 

[Chicken Run]

Worse things happen to innocent children in Gaza, Yemen, Sudan and the Ukraine every day, so my grief is tempered some what.

Quelle surprise" is a French phrase meaning "what a surprise," often used sarcastically to imply something is predictable or unsurprising. It is a borrowing from French and is commonly used in English.

 

[Comrade Sam]

Quelle surprise" is a French phrase meaning "what a surprise," often used sarcastically to imply something is predictable or unsurprising. It is a borrowing from French and is commonly used in English.

Oh sorry. And French children?

 

[kojak]

Worse things happen to innocent children in Gaza, Yemen, Sudan and the Ukraine every day, so my grief is tempered some what.

What are your thoughts on October 7th?

 

[n1 gull]

That seems a strange comparison. Letby has been convicted of multiple murders (I know there's some degree of doubt around her guilt now) but never called publically for the killing of anyone. Kneecap (which is a suspicous name any way) haven't committed murder as far as I know?

Sorry I meant Connolly. Indeed Letby would be a very strange comparison

 

[Guinness Boy]

Sorry I meant Connolly. Indeed Letby would be a very strange comparison

Christ, as if the alcoholism and gradual career decline weren’t bad enough now he’s inside for hurty words #PrayForAaron

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well I think their comments were ill founded. They were deeply ignorant, they showed a complete lack of understanding of modern political methods, and simply served to highlight the sort of intense stupidity that politicians encounter from armchair pundits who forget to think before they open their mouths. But with a full and frank apology that they're about to give us this afternoon I’m sure they can dig themselves out of this rather ugly hole.

Fair points. Similar to the one from a couple of days ago ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czrvx04e1e6o

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

What are your thoughts on October 7th?

Where are you going with this? Nobody on here is going to justify or defend those actions but you only need to watch the news to see how that has now unfolded.

Just a reminder though, we have been asked by Bozza not to go down that road on NSC

 

[Comrade Sam]

What are your thoughts on October 7th?

Are you asking me because I'm Jewish or because world events are something you don't understand?
I believe that debate was removed from the forum to avoid people being overly upset by opinions.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Very good film. Don't particularly like their music but suspect their gigs would be good. Cause of hand-wringing from joyless stiffs on here. Overall I approve.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Coincidentally I saw Jeffrey Lewis last night and he covered a Crass song.

With a damp cloth, or with leaves and moss?

Where are you going with this? Nobody on here is going to justify or defend those actions but you only need to watch the news to see how that has now unfolded.

Just a reminder though, we have been asked by Bozza not to go down that road on NSC

He still hasn't answered an awkward question I posed him some months ago, when he was on a middle-aged teenage right wing conspiracy rampage.

I see he's got back on his whataboutabicycle.

 

[aolstudios]

I had planned to see these guys in Berlin but their entire German tour has been cancelled. UK dates are now being pulled and their US tour is under threat as their visas are now invalid. The latter is due to their promoter (and visa 'sponosr') dropping them, and not Homeland Security getting involved....yet. UK festivals are now under pressure to drop them, I think the big talking point will be what happens with Glastonbury as there are calls to drop them.

I'm still trying to get my head around all of the different arguments and discussions: what's the issue with supporting Palestine, free speech, hate speech, cancel culture, when is sorry not enough, should some illadvised words when young define a lifetime, are there double-standards at play etc.

I do not think they're inherently bad people and, in one sense, I feel they're quite smart and they certainly raise some good points and causes; I do feel they could have chosen some of their words better though....note the use of past tense here as I am of the view they will not repeat them and are genuinely sorry.

I'm interested to know what the great and the good of NSC think.

Clue's in the tasteless name, for a start.
They've been filmed cheering on Hamas & Hezbollah to a big audience & have waved a big Hezbollah flag.
They also promoted Hezbollah's leader's book on their social media - it dubs all Jews 'pigs' & 'devils"
Add in telling a gig audience "kill your local mp"...
I'd suggest they a bunch of shitty little Nazis. If the above (all of which are verified facts) doesn't bother you, given the recent & historic deeds of those who they're cheering on then I really don't know what to say.
They're not that young either

 

[aolstudios]

Their apology, for what it was worth, was very weak and they are only back-pedalling on their extreme views now that their livelihoods are under threat. That, to me, is not demonstrating an understanding of how dangerous their comments were and why some people are understandably rather upset.

Incidentally, the separate comments which have caused offence are those supporting Hamas, not a Free Palestine, and - who as we know - are a designated terrorist group and have committed numerous atrocities of their own. Showing public support for Hamas as an entity is wrong regardless of one’s views on the terrible situation in Gaza. And a criminal offence.

Secondly, in their “apology” they say;



The extract of footage in question shows them saying:



Which is incitement to murder. They have offered absolutely no justification or further elaboration on what they meant by this which could have been “taken out of context”.

On the one hand they are apologising, while simultaneously claiming a smear campaign against them and offering no justification of their comments.

Well, exactly.
It's Trump/Boris level

 

[aolstudios]

Why would a group of Catholic lads from Northern Ireland hate Tory MPs?
I think they're marvellous.

& Hamas/Hezbollah?..

 

[Comrade Sam]

& Hamas/Hezbollah?..

I'd be surprised if they hate Hamas or Hezbollah. Some people find it difficult to understand world politics and the implications and results of imperialism. You should watch Andor and you might one day understand why some people are more morally outraged by the violence of oppression than the violence of the oppressed.