[News] Just Stop Oil

[usernamed]

As I understand it, their ask is that the government commit to refuse to green-light any new gas or oil projects. As an ask, that seems completely reasonable and achievable, and by any measure (economic or environmental) good sense.

Smashing up petrol pumps at motorway services however, is criminal damage, and while their aims may be laudable, their actions are not.

I understand the desire for publicity (a campaign like this is ineffective without it) but they need to be disrupting the movements of the relevant government ministers and not causing inconvenience and potentially harm to the general population. You never know, a bit of “dodge the protester” may even keep the current front bench off Pornhub for a bit.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If it weren't oil, it'd be violence against women. If it weren't violence against women it'd be a race issue. If not that, then cost of living.

These people are professional campaigners/complainers who will be at every single rally for every single "issue", as long as they get to shout loudly, chain themselves to something or smash something up.

"Protestors" like this are to liberal thinking what PPF is to football fans. Any chance to cause a nuisance and be the centre of attention.

I'm sure he'll thank you for your sentiments



Regards
DF

 

[beorhthelm]

I'm not convinced they're going about this the right way but to suggest that these are not 'extreme circumstances' is somewhat burying your head in the sand at going lalalalala in an attempt to ignore the science. That said I'm generally a fan of direct action but I think they're misguided on this and, as someone else articulated, championing the alternatives is probably a more successful approach.

the science says we've turned a corner and reducing emissions substantially. so much so they changed the target from 2deg to 1.5deg to maintain the cause.

so it becomes an engineering and economic problem. how are we going to change with current technologies and how much are we willing to spend. and theres the poltical problem, who/where do costs fall upon. doing something has already been decided, so move constructive measures needed to manage expectations and delivery.

 

[Bold Seagull]

the science says we've turned a corner and reducing emissions substantially. so much so they changed the target from 2deg to 1.5deg to maintain the cause.

Nothing to do with the world shutting down for nearly 2 years during a pandemic. It's not like emissions have suddenly shot back up....oh....

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

You are being disingenuous. These people don't believe in any one cause, they want to change the world and are committing actual crimes in their attempts. This isn't about oil, it's all about them.

Hmm. No I think it is about oil.

They aren't benefitting personally from carrying out this action

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

These measures should be supported.

Yes it's always annoying being stopped from what you usually do, but how far do you have to have your head up your arse not to clearly see where business as usual is taking us?

Do you think our government or the governments of this world will intervene to save us? No. They are on the take.

We need to end our dependence on oil as a matter of urgency

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Throw them in a deep dark dungeon.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

the science says we've turned a corner and reducing emissions substantially. so much so they changed the target from 2deg to 1.5deg to maintain the cause.

so it becomes an engineering and economic problem. how are we going to change with current technologies and how much are we willing to spend. and theres the poltical problem, who/where do costs fall upon. doing something has already been decided, so move constructive measures needed to manage expectations and delivery.

The science says no such thing. You've been reading and disseminating dangerous disinformation. World carbon (and other gases) emissions are flying through the roof.

https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions

This 1.5 thing%. This is by the end of the century. Heating is not suddenly going to stop then (and we're obviously not going to achieve 1.5%.

The right and the oil lobby have cottoned on to the relatively tiny emissions drop during the pandemic and duped people like you into repeating it

 

[Bry Nylon]

Bit silly smashing up the fuel pumps when the oil is in the shop, next to the Ad Blue and Screen Wash.

They'll be kicking themselves when they realise.

 

[Stato]

Bit silly smashing up the fuel pumps when the oil is in the shop, next to the Ad Blue and Screen Wash.

They'll be kicking themselves when they realise.

Although they must be making some headway. My supermarket delivery had to substitute vegetable for olive this week.

 

[beorhthelm]

Nothing to do with the world shutting down for nearly 2 years during a pandemic. It's not like emissions have suddenly shot back up....oh....

our emissions have halved since 1990
https://www.statista.com/statistics/326902/greenhouse-gas-emissions-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/

 

[nicko31]

These measures should be supported.

Yes it's always annoying being stopped from what you usually do, but how far do you have to have your head up your arse not to clearly see where business as usual is taking us?

Do you think our government or the governments of this world will intervene to save us? No. They are on the take.

We need to end our dependence on oil as a matter of urgency

Having a journey disrupted in a private motor vehicle powered by hydrocarbons is a first world problem, most of the world population don't have this privilege and it is them that are suffering most from man made climate change already.

The disruption is very minor but humankind faces a far large threat, the more we talk about it the better

 

[beorhthelm]

The science says no such thing. You've been reading and disseminating dangerous disinformation. World carbon (and other gases) emissions are flying through the roof.

https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions

This 1.5 thing%. This is by the end of the century. Heating is not suddenly going to stop then (and we're obviously not going to achieve 1.5%.

The right and the oil lobby have cottoned on to the relatively tiny emissions drop during the pandemic and duped people like you into repeating it

graph shows how the rate of increase greatly reduced, even lowers, in mid 2010's. if you mapp against economic activity, its definatly improving, product of more efficency.

 

[Jim in the West]

I'm not convinced they're going about this the right way but to suggest that these are not 'extreme circumstances' is somewhat burying your head in the sand at going lalalalala in an attempt to ignore the science. That said I'm generally a fan of direct action but I think they're misguided on this and, as someone else articulated, championing the alternatives is probably a more successful approach.

I think I'm with you here....but wavering. Just Stop Oil are campaigning to stop the UK granting any more licences for oil and gas exploration/extraction. There seems to be a lot of evidence (some of it produced by the government itself) that granting such licences would be incompatible with the commitments we made at Cop26 (just a few months ago). Yet the government continues to grant more licences, whilst at the same time doing little to help us reduce our energy use (ie, insulate our homes!).

I fully back the objectives of Just Stop Oil, and also Insulate Britain. I think there is a place for peaceful direct action - just not convinced causing criminal damage to a petrol station is the right way to do it. The problem is, the government is making it almost impossible to protest in any other way (although that's a whole different can of worms...)

 

[nicko31]

our emissions have halved since 1990
https://www.statista.com/statistics/326902/greenhouse-gas-emissions-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/

Emissions outsourcing was the easy bit, the hard bit of actually changing the way we live is next

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

graph shows how the rate of increase greatly reduced, even lowers, in mid 2010's. if you mapp against economic activity, its definatly improving, product of more efficency.

Why would you do this? It means nothing. All that matters is that we're burning more fossil fuels than ever before.

Claiming in public that we've "turned a corner" ranks alongside the stupidest comment I've read on NSC. And I read the matchday threads

 

[jcdenton08]

Hmm. No I think it is about oil.

They aren't benefitting personally from carrying out this action

I disagree, I think they are benefitting personally.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Their crowdfunding campaign has reached 62k (was 1.2k when the clown cable tied himself to the goalpost), so some people somewhere seem to think it is worthwhile.

This thread is full of the type of people who donate to these crowdfunders. Well off professionals who like a fluffy slogan and will chuck a bit of money at anything that sounds nice regardless of the outcome (what cost of living crisis!?)

 

[Swansman]

I disagree, I think they are benefitting personally.

Agree. The survival of the species would be advantageous to these people.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Agree. The survival of the species would be advantageous to these people.

I'm not sure you're going to save the planet by organising a protest using devices that take tonnes of water to make, driving round the M25 and smashing up a petrol pump, Greta.