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Zeberdi

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I 100 % agree with you that civil liberties are being eroded by the Tory’s. And quite deliberately so. From press freedom to the right to protest.

Having said that, blocking traffic by sitting in the road has always been unlawful and the police have historically been a lot more brutal with these type of protesters than they currently are.

Nobody who sits in the road, blocking traffic has ever been allowed to do so.
Totally agree - and I was referring to the right to protest not the right to sit in the road as I clarified above.

Nothing I have said contradicts that - I have reiterated that several times unlawful behaviour should be punished - but people do have a right to protest in this country still as far as I’m aware but if they break the law, then they should pay the price - Thats all I have said -I’m literally confused why someone (actually quite a few posters) are trying to construct straw arguments in response to me raising concerns about our civil liberties under this disgraceful Tory Government - at least 3 times, I have said the protesters deserve to be held accountable in law if they are found to have broken it. Not once have I defended their tactics BUT i have said we must be aware that our civil liberties are being eroded.

I get the feeling some people want to throw any protester in jail, after a good kicking from the police that is, without due process because they personally have been inconvenienced - and some it seems want to ban protest altogether.

Maybe people really would be happier living in a fascist dictatorship I suppose, then they wouldnt have to think for themselves, it would be done for them. 🤷‍♂️
 

The Clamp

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Jan 11, 2016
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Totally agree - and I was referring to the right to protest not the right to sit in the road as I clarified above.

Nothing I have said contradicts that - I have reiterated that several times - but people do have a right to protest in this country still as far as I’m aware but if they break the law, then they should pay the price - Thats all I have said -I’m literally confused why someone (actually quite a few posters) are trying to construct straw arguments in response to me raising concerns about our civil liberties under this disgraceful Tory Government - at least 3 times, I have said the protesters deserve to be held accountable in law if they are found to have broken it. Not once have I defended their tactics BUT i have said we must be aware that our civil liberties are being eroded.

I get the feeling some people want to throw any protester in jail, after a good kicking from the police that is, without due process because they personally have been inconvenienced - and some it seems want to ban protest altogether.

Maybe people really would be happier living in a fascist dictatorship I suppose, then they wouldnt have to think for themselves, it would be done for them. 🤷‍♂️
Sorry, didn’t mean to misrepresent you.
 

Zeberdi

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beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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Seriously?

So you think it is ok for civil freedoms to be severely restricted and random police brutality is ‘perfectly reasonable’ if someone has been caught allegedly committing a crime? Note I said ‘allegedly’ - no one has ‘committed a crime’ until it has been proven in law - (unless you think we should suspend the right to habeas corpus too?)
come off it, they're obstructing the highway as clear as day. the actions seen are hardly brutality, this is soft touch handling of middle class chap, compared to those out of line on a Friday night in town.
 


keaton

Big heart, hot blood and balls. Big balls
Nov 18, 2004
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I 100 % agree with you that civil liberties are being eroded by the Tory’s. And quite deliberately so. From press freedom to the right to protest.

Having said that, blocking traffic by sitting in the road has always been unlawful and the police have historically been a lot more brutal with these type of protesters than they currently are.

Nobody who sits in the road, blocking traffic has ever been allowed to do so.

As an aside, if they tried it in most countries it would be batons out and sore heads time.
They did let us sit in the road at the Goldstone
 

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Gods country fortnightly
When you see the blue lights of the emergency services in your rear view mirror, what do you do? You let them pass. Absolutely zero time for these attention seekers.
Not a fan of this just gives the right wing press ammunition

The snooker, the cricket and the Wimbledon jigsaw were far better protests. Minimal harm, maximum publicity
 


abc

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Jan 6, 2007
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£20 million: The justifiable cost of freedom in a democracy or the unjustifiable diversion of tax payers’ resources needed elsewhere?
 

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,387
Gods country fortnightly

£20 million: The justifiable cost of freedom in a democracy or the unjustifiable diversion of tax payers’ resources needed elsewhere?
Climate change is already costing us £20m a day, could be 3 times more by 2050 if we don't get a handle on things

How much are we spending a day on tax breaks for fossil fuel companies?
 



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