Just how awful is this government? June 2020 edition

[LlcoolJ]

i haven't read back as usual but i would say that the standard of material of governance has gone down by 30-35 % in the last 30 years .......i think that honkey reckons he's the best thing since sliced bread and that he would never be out manoeuvred by another entity , after all its his game , he invented it (the westminster system) and if folk won't play by his rules they can jolly well sod off.......well , unfortunately some mofo has put ky all over the jenga pieces and poor old sausage finger can't even manage to stay in his seat ......we are no longer the bees knees in global politics , far from it unfortunately but ****in hey ho , such is life , get a grip , try not to piss yourself about things that really annoy you , that way you will have a happy , fulfilling life .......said no-one , ever.....cluster****mediacontrolledbellenderryofthehighestorder......wakey wakey..

I have no idea what you're on about sidders but I do LOVE your pissed up rants!

 

[Chicken Run]

I’m pretty shocked that despite your qualifications, you still label Corbyn as a Communist. He might be influenced by Marxism (which is an impossible ideal) like his former showdown chancellor, but only someone very ignorant of political philosophies or with a political agenda could label the man as a Communist.

The big difference between Communism and Socialism is democracy. Like it or not (and please do your research on this), Corbyn is a profound democrat, this led to a huge amount of dithering in the last parliament as he went for consultation rather than decisiveness on issues such as Brexit and Anti-Semtism; he showed very weak leadership.

Communism always ends up as a corruption of ideals and leads to undemocratic authoritarianism or dictatorship. Corbyn is profoundly against that sort of governance.

I’m well used to uneducated people labelling Corbyn as a Communist but you really need to do some reading about this as you’ve embarrassed yourself.

I don’t believe he is anymore a communist as Boris is a facist, what I do know is he’s a socialist as many on here are but it’s been over 40 years since the last socialist administration (New Labour doesn’t count) are we likely to vote one in in 4 years from now, possibly.

 

[BLOCK F]

Why do people keep saying he has no policies when a five second Google gives you this?

https://keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/

Fair comment, LJ.
To be honest, I didn't follow the Labour leadership contest at all closely and hadn't read his campaign pledges.
I wonder how much of that will be followed up when he has to put meat on the bones rather than make pledges in a contest when all he had to do was sound reasonable in comparison to the other candidates and also toss a bone to keep the unions on side! I don't think we have seen the real Starmer, yet.
Anyway, it is a bit of an aside, ''cos this is NSC and yet another 'How shit are the Tories' thread has to be discussed!.

 

[blue-shifted]

Maybe I'm struggling to understand the concept ?

All governments have an amount of crapness about them.

Johnson's - Shit
May's - Doubly shit
Cameron's ( 2nd stint ) - mildly shit
Cameron's ( coalition ) - only just shit
Brown's -very very shit
Blair ( 3rd Term ) - very shit
Blair ( 2nd Term ) very very very shit
Blair ( 1st Term ) - OK
Major - OK ish

Major's was definitely worse than you're intimating. Blair and Cameron 1st term, both better

 

[sydney]

I have no idea what you're on about sidders but I do LOVE your pissed up rants!

ok kid....the people in charge are clueless , the others have caught up , whilst our finest are getting tattooed on the scrotum , getting their foreskin pierced to be cool and spending all their cash on paul smith , ben sherman and pc company ....the others are out there getting ****ing educated , learning to make the system work in their favour ..........dumbfux get what they deserve , unfortunately the govt. is leading by example ....no one with half a brain will go nowhere near politics as a career ..........North Korea is looking good. or NZ

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Maybe I'm struggling to understand the concept ?

All governments have an amount of crapness about them.

Johnson's - Shit
May's - Doubly shit
Cameron's ( 2nd stint ) - mildly shit
Cameron's ( coalition ) - only just shit
Brown's -very very shit
Blair ( 3rd Term ) - very shit
Blair ( 2nd Term ) very very very shit
Blair ( 1st Term ) - OK
Major - OK ish

Think it's about connection with joe public not exactly what is achieved.

Major was useless as PM on the whole but he was and is a humble sincere man. I happened to get to know him long after his PMship and he is a really genuine nice chap. But as PM meh.

Blair first term was with most of the country wanting a change but as he was neither a traditional Labour or a Tory he appealed to many but he became and still is a very odd man, almost purple tracksuit at times.

Brown just never captivated the wider public and was never seen to lead, oh and sold the gold after announcing it!

Cameron was Blair first term incarnated but who's party was never truly behind him so spent most of the time appeasing a disjointed party.

 

[blue-shifted]

I have no idea how to reply to separate quotes so will give it a go here:

My reply was in response to a post about qualifications understanding politics and Corbyn. I also tried to keep it on track by posting about the current government.

Corbyn's chief advisers came from the CPB - who decided not to run candidates against him. All have written for The Morning Star a communist newspaper. Praising North Korea and defending East Germany
His Chancellor in waiting described himself as a Marxist.
His Shadow Home Secretary said Mao did 'more harm than good'
Corbyn had close connections with the USSR party machine
Under his leadership the Labour Party called for private education to be criminalised
He supported the appropriation of private wealth to be confiscated and used for the 'common good'
Supported 'People's Quantitative Easing' - an economically illiterate policy that would have dramatically increased risk and was prohibited under EU law.
A Labour Government would have compelled private companies to redistribute £300 bn. worth of shares
At the election he promised Broadband Communism
Called for NATO to be disbanded
Described the father of Communism as a 'great economist'
Constantly sided with USSR / Russia on his world view.
Claimed the Kosovan genocide never happened, in agreement with many Communist sympathisers.
Supported that any money generated above a £500 annual dividend would end up in the pockets of the Labour government, making it a massive stealth tax

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

There's plenty of Corbyn threads, so I'm not going to pick apart all these claims, but I can't stop smirking at the one about broadband communism. Nice mate. You've improved my morning.

 

[Lenny Rider]

Maybe I'm struggling to understand the concept ?

All governments have an amount of crapness about them.

Johnson's - Shit
May's - Doubly shit
Cameron's ( 2nd stint ) - mildly shit
Cameron's ( coalition ) - only just shit
Brown's -very very shit
Blair ( 3rd Term ) - very shit
Blair ( 2nd Term ) very very very shit
Blair ( 1st Term ) - OK
Major - OK ish

And Margaret, she was just perfect..........

 

[bha100]

For too many years we've been giving taxpayers money (which is really yours and mine) to strange causes. We send aid to India - except that they've got their own space programme. We've equiped all sorts of strange dictators with state of the art palaces and aeroplanes. Boris is right about the 'great cashpoint in the sky' - we're the mugs who pay for it all and for too long this nonsense has gone on. Sure we should send aid to people who need it - Zimbabwe and South Africa are good examples where British aid is helping - but there needs to be a careful look at who receives aid from the UK and who really needs it.

Wonder how much of our cash he had in a suitcase at home

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-47997729

 

[BLOCK F]

Wow, another echo chamber thread for the great and good of NSC.
I hope everyone feels better for it.......... a bit like having a very satisfying dump some might say.

 

[WATFORD zero]

May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Callaghan, Wilson, Heath (as far back as my memory goes)

They all did things I agreed with, and things I didn't, often fervently. But they all did what they did because they believed in it.

But I wouldn't describe any of their Governments as incompetent, and that is what I believe we currently have as a Government

 

[LlcoolJ]

Fair comment, LJ.
To be honest, I didn't follow the Labour leadership contest at all closely and hadn't read his pledges.
I wonder how much of that will be followed up when he has to put meat on the bones rather than make pledges in a contest when all he had to do was sound reasonable in comparison the the other candidates and also toss a bone to keep the unions on side! I don't think we have seen the real Starmer, yet.
Anyway, it is a bit of an aside, ''cos this is NSC and yet another 'How shit are the Tories' thread has to be discussed!.

Yeah I'm old enough to know that ANY politician's policies will be watered down, altered or plain jettisoned once they are in power. It's just how it works.

However, I do currently rate Starmer and I think that a "watered down as is guaranteed" version of those policies would be a positive thing for the country. So for the first time in a long time I will be supporting Labour, if only in that there is someone with the ability to hold this current SHAMBLES to account.

It's not Tory bashing by me btw. I think the best government we had in a long time was the Cameron / Clegg coalition. Mistakes made yes (they always are), but it proved that things work better when a government has to compromise.

Party politics aside, this current bunch of chancers, morons and downright evil scumbags are without a doubt the worst government I have ever seen.

I'm sure some will dismiss this because it's from the Grauniad, plus it's an opinion piece (they do have them from the full spectrum of political views btw, well not Yaxley Lemon or Anjem Choudary but you know what I mean.....) but I can't really argue with much of what he says. This government is really, really shit:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ence-boris-johnson-government-cabinet-britain

 

[sydney]

they're all ****in paedos and rinsers .....i'd move to india if i was you lot , great climate ,great food , friendly people and the clothing is cheap.

 

[Chicken Run]

they're all ****in paedos and rinsers .....i'd move to india if i was you lot , great climate ,great food , friendly people and the clothing is cheap.

I have a 16 yo daughter, no thanks!


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/what-is-behind-indias-rape-problem/a-51739350

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Corbyn is a communist.

My Political CV

I have a MA Degree in politics from one of the top 5 PAIS Universities in the world.
I have run for elected office twice and won both times.

I also agree that Boris isn’t PM material atm. He won’t be in charge by the next election.

Corbyn is a socialist not a communist. There’s a difference between the two.

Out of interest, which Corbyn policy did you find to be particularly communist?

 

[BLOCK F]

Yeah I'm old enough to know that ANY politician's policies will be watered down, altered or plain jettisoned once they are in power. It's just how it works.

However, I do currently rate Starmer and I think that a "watered down as is guaranteed" version of those policies would be a positive thing for the country. So for the first time in a long time I will be supporting Labour, if only in that there is someone with the ability to hold this current SHAMBLES to account.

It's not Tory bashing by me btw. I think the best government we had in a long time was the Cameron / Clegg coalition. Mistakes made yes (they always are), but it proved that things work better when a government has to compromise.

Party politics aside, this current bunch of chancers, morons and downright evil scumbags are without a doubt the worst government I have ever seen.

I'm sure some will dismiss this because it's from the Grauniad, plus it's an opinion piece (they do have them from the full spectrum of political views btw, well not Yaxley Lemon or Anjem Choudary but you know what I mean.....) but I can't really argue with much of what he says. This government is really, really shit:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ence-boris-johnson-government-cabinet-britain

Hi, LJ, I have briefly skimmed over the article and hey-ho, there is the useless Gavin Williamson, featuring heavily.
I am a Times man myself and I read something the other day that made me chuckle. It was a comment, I think, from a Tory MP about Gav. It went something like: 'The trouble with Gavin Williamson is that he has something of Frank Spencer about him, both in looks and mannerisms, and the trouble is, once you see that you can't see anything else'.
Thought it summed him up perfectly.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I just about reach back to Wilson's 1964 vintage. My heart sank when Heath had his success in 1970. It went through the floor when Thatcher won in 1979. But really, this mob is by far the worst of the lot. But give them a chance: they've got another 4+ years to get even worse.

 

[The Clamp]

I certainly haven't protected Boris and am not a supporter in any sense. I'm up for a reasoned debate but there's too much shit being spoken and written currently which actually detracts from the real issues. This is story is an irrelevance, it is costed, and many would say a country this wealthy should have transport for its top officials including the head of state.

I was an aircraft engineer for BCal and BA but have worked on military contracts such as the RAF and the American Airforce KC10 refuellers during the first Gulf War. I also worked on aircraft that were converted for royal use, particularly the one used for Charles and Diana on their honeymoon.

Changing the colour scheme on aircraft isn't uncommon, during in Gulf Wars the aircraft were all painted, however as soon as the airport was safe charter aircraft from a number of companies were used and they would have been any colour known to man.

I doubt very much the plane in question is used or indeed needed to be used as a refueller during normal operations but has the capacity to be used. Think of it as a road gritter, sits there for 11 months of the year but when needed hopefully works! Using it for another purpose could arguably be getting better use of assets.

Keep bringing up anything to bash the government is as inane as those saying Corbyn is a commie, racist or just a deluded old man and it would have been worse if he was in PM. It deflects from the real issues. One reason why I've stopped in the main from posting on these threads as it's the same crap being posted by the same people.

I apologise for coming across argumentative.
Genuinely, thank you for the detailed explanation, I will admit you have change my mind on this one. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
TC

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Hi, LJ, I have briefly skimmed over the article and hey-ho, there is the useless Gavin Williamson, featuring heavily.
I am a Times man myself and I read something the other day that made me chuckle. It was a comment, I think, from a Tory MP about Gav. It went something like: 'The trouble with Gavin Williamson is that he has something of Frank Spencer about him, both in looks and mannerisms, and the trouble is, once you see that you can't see anything else'.
Thought it summed him up perfectly.

Two parts Frank Spencer, one part Count (nearly a spelling error there) Dracula.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Callaghan, Wilson, Heath (as far back as my memory goes)

They all did things I agreed with, and things I didn't, often fervently. But they all did what they did because they believed in it.

But I wouldn't describe any of their Governments as incompetent, and that is what I believe we currently have as a Government

The current lot were mainly chosen on their position as pro-Brexit zealots. If they turned out to be even half-competent then that was just a bonus.

Saw Ken Clarke interviewed the other day. He came across as far more measured and downright WISE than any of the current crock of shit that passes as cabinet