JFC in U21 Play-off Squad, Walton in U20 squad
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Forget it.
I completely omitted the fact any 'kid' half decent gets pushed into the full squad, whether they are good enough or not.
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Marshy
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JFC is much better than Ince at the holding role thats why we pick him.
Ince better get the nod over Crofts saturday.
Ince better get the nod over Crofts saturday.
sir albion
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Christ they must be bloody blind or short of english players to pick him...Terrible player
Blues Rock DJ
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ambivilant to be fair.....seniors ranked 20 in the world......no big deal these days.
drew
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You must have achieved an awful lot in your life to be so blasé about representative honours!!
Gully Forever
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Maybe it's his unbelievable luck that three albion managers and the England u21, u20, u18, u17 & u16 managers all rate looks over ability
No, It's because we are extremely thin on the ground when it comes to good English players!.
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You may think that the coaching in England is crap and therefor the standard isn't as good as it could be, but I still believe it is an achievement to be in the top 7 England U21 midfielders from over 40,000 football clubs in England.
The reason he is picked is because he has a huge (relatively speaking) level of experience, in one of the toughest leagues in Europe, at the age of 20, and is a tidy player who does the simple things well, and is very good at taking instruction and performing specific roles that are demanded of him.
ALL England managers love players like that in their squad - Phil Neville, James Milner, etc, etc
Scunner
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Reading this thread depresses me. We have a talented 20 yr old in our team, he has a good touch, can retain possession under pressure and see a pass. He is tenacious, works hard for the team. Collectively several Ux coaches for England have recognised his quality, Poyet, Garcia and now Hyppia understand what he brings to the team. And yet, even after a good game like he had against Cardiff people dismiss him. It's crazy, and moronic. Ask yourself this, in the last minutes Paddy tried his luck and shot over the bar from distance and an angle and as a result lost possession. Everyone ooh'd; did you? And what would you have done if that had been JFC? It's called cognitive bias, and belongs to idiots
Marshy
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wise words
The Large One
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Brave of you to post that you know nothing about football, nor any one given player's qualities.
Good response.
All I'd say is that whilst it's great for the lad that he has been picked, I feel it's indicative of the dearth of English talent in the game. We're not being entirely subjective here. We've had the opportunity to observe him at close quarters for quite some time and I'd say the jury is out. He needs better management and coaching to move to the next level, if he is capable of that. Right now, if JFC is getting in the England set up, then that's a fairly low benchmark in my opinion.
Scunner
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But that's the point, is it not? JFC is playing at a higher level in the U21 squad. He is surrounded by people from Premier League clubs who earn fat salaries, yet he is holding his own and clearly impressing Gareth Southgate, someone who - as Middleborough will attest - has a long understanding of both the English game, the youth system and the talent pool that we have. And we, of the mighty BHA (4 seasons in the top flight in 113 years no less) are so frigging high and mighty that instead of lauding one of our own home grown kids, seek to rubbish him on a frequent basis. My only hope is that he doesn't do a 'Barnes' and say '**** you lot I am going somewhere where I am appreciated'. People on here are delusional...it's nuts...
But that's the point, is it not? JFC is playing at a higher level in the U21 squad. He is surrounded by people from Premier League clubs who earn fat salaries, yet he is holding his own and clearly impressing Gareth Southgate, someone who - as Middleborough will attest - has a long understanding of both the English game, the youth system and the talent pool that we have. And we, of the mighty BHA (4 seasons in the top flight in 113 years no less) are so frigging high and mighty that instead of lauding one of our own home grown kids, seek to rubbish him on a frequent basis. My only hope is that he doesn't do a 'Barnes' and say '**** you lot I am going somewhere where I am appreciated'. People on here are delusional...it's nuts...
I do hear what you are saying, and hats off to him. I really want him to succeed, and I want him to get the best coaching and support. It would be great if he could progress. Right now though, I think that if JFC can justify an England call up, then I'm as worried about the next generation of England players as I was disappointed by the passing generation of England players. I'm not pouring cold water on the lad. It's great that he's amongst the best young English lads out there, and as you say, holding his own against the Premiership U21's. It's just that the talent pool he's mixing in might not be that strong. As I say, the guy needs exposure to the best coaches, so mixing in the England set up has got to be a good thing for him and the Albion.
seagulls99
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- Feb 10, 2012
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But he's not? Wilshere, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sterling, Barkley, ward prowse and shelvey to name but a few.
Do you want to try and name a few different ones? None of Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain or Shelvey are under 21.
seagulls99
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they still qualify?