IS destroys the ancient city of Nimrud

[Tyrone Biggums]

If you dumped a bunch of children on an island, and taught them all their lives that Rupert the Bear was god, they would believe it. Its brainwashing. The same as kids growing up around the world in different religious spheres. They believe what they are taught by their parents, its nothing to do with faith, or even religion. Sorry, I consider it brainwashing mate.

Well you're an out and out left winger. You display all the signs of someone who's been brainwashed into being a socialist sheep.

So how are you any different to anyone else who holds a belief? And who brainwashed you?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

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Did anyone actually believe he was following Christianity?

Clemens August Graf von Galen didn't.

 

[Nibble]

My point exactly. The Nazis were as much about Christianity as IS are about Islam.

 

[jimbob5]

My point exactly. The Nazis were as much about Christianity as IS are about Islam.

Hey! make no mistake history is littered with people claiming to be Christians who were anything but just evil, violent, hypocritical and cowardly. The relationship with the Nazis in Europe 80 years ago, though complex, cannot be swept under the carpet, and face it! Many of the Christian Right in the USA are bordering on raving nut jobs. From my limited knowledge of Christianity, such people have no right to call themselves Christians.

 

[BigGully]

Well you're an out and out left winger. You display all the signs of someone who's been brainwashed into being a socialist sheep.

So how are you any different to anyone else who holds a belief? And who brainwashed you?

Surely it is something he has evolved into, we are all an accumulation of our experiences.

However it is more likely that, although not exclusively that you are born into a family, region, country that then primes you for a certain religion and associated views.

But in Daveinpragues defence, whether he feels austerity or spending might improve our social and economic wellbeing, it will always trump anyone that feels you fly up to the moon on a flying horse and cuts the moon in half is fact. (for balance any religion has mythical rubbish stories).

 

[daveinprague]

Well you're an out and out left winger. You display all the signs of someone who's been brainwashed into being a socialist sheep.

So how are you any different to anyone else who holds a belief? And who brainwashed you?

Being of a left wing mindset isnt a religion. Its REAL life. Is it based on ancient fairy tale, or the realisation that the world is unequal?
I dont come from a left wing family. My father was an officer in the Northumberland Fusiliers, and my mother a non political nurse.
My father was protestant. My mother comes from Jewish family. Im obviously not religious.

 

[daveinprague]

'However it is more likely that, although not exclusively that you are born into a family, region, country that then primes you for a certain religion and associated views.'

This for sure as far as religion goes.

 

[Questions]

My father was an atheist, my mother a strict Catholic, yet I am a Sagitarian..it's confusing stuff really.

 

[Megazone]

My point exactly. The Nazis were as much about Christianity as IS are about Islam.

This.

 

[Juror#13]

Seems ISIS are camped at the US border.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/04/isis-camp-a-few-miles-from-texas-mexican-authorities-confirm/

 

[daveinprague]

..I also find it funny to be called a 'sheep' for being left wing, by somebody promoting a fantasy story from thousands of years ago.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

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Did anyone actually believe he was following Christianity?

30+ odd million Germans, Austrians and appeasers including Moseley over here did!

 

[Publius Ovidius]

Being of a left wing mindset isnt a religion. Its REAL life. Is it based on ancient fairy tale, or the realisation that the world is unequal?
I dont come from a left wing family. My father was an officer in the Northumberland Fusiliers, and my mother a non political nurse.
My father was protestant. My mother comes from Jewish family. Im obviously not religious.

Heretic....burn him

 

[BigGully]

This.

I am not sure Nazism was ever driven by Christianity, more like a 'headsup' to the aryan nations religion of choice, whereas IS is undoubtedly driven by an interpretation of Islam.

 

[BigGully]

This.

I am not sure Nazism was ever driven by Christianity, more like a 'headsup' to the aryan nations religion of choice, whereas IS is undoubtedly driven by an interpretation of Islam.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

I am not sure Nazism was ever driven by Christianity, more like a 'headsup' to the aryan nations religion of choice, whereas IS is undoubtedly driven by an interpretation of Islam.

Didn't the waffen ss have badges with gott mit uns, on them?

 

[BigGully]

Didn't the waffen ss have badges with gott mit uns, on them?

Yeah, I suspect for the reason stated.

 

[beorhthelm]

My point exactly. The Nazis were as much about Christianity as IS are about Islam.

and your point is manifestly wrong. first you Godwin'd the thread. secondly Adolf wasn't a christian himself, nor was Nazism a christian movement. it may have used that to appeal to a group for support, but thats all. on the other hand, the whole raison d'etre of ISIL is to create an Islamic caliphate in the region for all good muslims, at the expense of everyone else, bad muslims included. its not just an "excuse" to get some disaffected muslims to join up as some seem to be saying.

 

[Nibble]

and your point is manifestly wrong. first you Godwin'd the thread. secondly Adolf wasn't a christian himself, nor was Nazism a christian movement. it may have used that to appeal to a group for support, but thats all. on the other hand, the whole raison d'etre of ISIL is to create an Islamic caliphate in the region for all good muslims, at the expense of everyone else, bad muslims included. its not just an "excuse" to get some disaffected muslims to join up as some seem to be saying.

I think you seem to be missing my point. My ENTIRE point is that Hitler wasn't a Christian. Just as IS claim to be doing the prophet's work to achieve what they believed to be a righteous state the Nazis used Christianity for the same end. Religion or politics, same result.

As for Godwin, I'll make my point according to my own criteria thank you, not some outdated nonsense about not being able to bring Nazis into a relevant argument. Apart from the fact that it can only be a Godwin if the example used is ridiculous. My example was not, it was wholly relevant.

 

[jimbob5]

and your point is manifestly wrong. first you Godwin'd the thread. secondly Adolf wasn't a christian himself, nor was Nazism a christian movement. it may have used that to appeal to a group for support, but thats all. on the other hand, the whole raison d'etre of ISIL is to create an Islamic caliphate in the region for all good muslims, at the expense of everyone else, bad muslims included. its not just an "excuse" to get some disaffected muslims to join up as some seem to be saying.

Sure. I don't think, had the Nazis taken over the world they'd have forced Christianity. In fact I suspect they would have banned it. However, Adolph who happened to be of Jewish decent and his followers carefully nurtured the naive 'Christian' majority in Germany and other parts of Europe in the 1930s.
By some contrast, IS want to create some form of Islamic world. The Nazis would have viewed Christianity as a subtle obstacle to overcome to achieve their ultimate aim which had nothing to do with Christianity and they were not pretending it had anything to do with Christianity anyway.