Iran - would Blair get away with it?

[Rambo]

Let's think about this.

Bush bombs Iran. Knowing the yanks, they cock it up and hit Pakistan by mistake.

Pillock

 

[aftershavedave]

My own view of this is that were Blair to take us to war with Iran, there would be a No-confidence Motion in the House of Commons and he would almost certainly lose it, forcing a General Election. I don't think the Conservatives would muster behind him on this, unlike with the Education Bill. The inevitable result would be a landslide for Gordon Brown, especially if he declined to back Blair, and the Conservatives left looking highly indecisive, in view of their backing for the war in Iraq.

agreed, makes sense

 

[looney]

Gordon Brown Landslide.

 

[aftershavedave]

Gordon Brown Landslide.

a very likely event i'd say, nuking iran notwithstanding.

as your new friend cameron gradually slides off the popularity ratings browmn's chances increase by the day

 

[looney]

You hope, I am actually hoping brown takes over soon but it doesnt matter.

I dont like Cameron but he's just made one gaff about comments about UKIP.

Still, councill elections will show how much of labours core will be eaten away by the BNP. First main elections since bombing.

People tend not to riot in UK, they take there issues to the ballot box.

Oh and then theres the Lib dems.....

 

[NMH]

All this active organisation of 'The Earth Today' by the US leadership is unhealthy. Left alone to their own devices, some of these countries would simply change leaderships and move on. Iranians are not, en masse, deeply enamoured by their current head of state and would soon depose him without outside intervention.
Picking fights and creating stirs with the US is how some of these idiots divert from their own shortcomings and failures - and galvanize their public behind them against a 'common enemy' that they can simply propaganda into the cause.

Bush's crowd play the part, and bob's your uncle - war.

I don't want the UK to follow the US down this idiotic path, and I hope there are other 'experts' than Chaney and Rumsfeld out there ready to advise Blair, or we will be screwed.

 

[DIFFBROOK]

Remember if Tony Blair wanted to go to war with Iran he would at least need his cabinet in agreement with him (although this is not yet required by Law, as the Queen invests the power on a PM to invoke War). This cabinet includes Gordon Brown. So Brown would either accept collective cabinet or resign from the cabinet.

As I said, although Blair does not need Parliamentary agreement to go to war (for reasons of surprise), the House is recalled early on to discuss a deterioating situation.

It would have to be at this stage that a motion of no confidence was aimed at the Govt (its not aimed at a PM). This could only be done by the opposition i.e Tories. If this was won, then the Tories would be in and not Labour i.e no landslide for Brown.

If Brown walked out on Govt prior to War, then he could effectively challenge Blair for the leadership of the party and so diffusing the whole basis of a no confidence Vote.


Anyway, I really hope War is not around the corner. I dont know what the answer is in stopping Iran having a bomb (cos I believe that they shouldn't, the least countries that do have them the better...inc USA) but yes to peaceful nuclear power.

The answer is most definetly not bombing Iran with Nukes, as that would be a war crime in itself.

Has anyone thought as to why Iran might just feel so threatened. Maybe its because of talk such as this, that the US has carried on for the past 25 years. Maybe peacful engagement, accepting a different culture etc may have been more beneficial.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

All that is true, except I'm not sure Brown could effectively challenge Blair after walking out. Robin Cook ( RIP ) was left to rot on the back benches.

One thing is for certain though, if this country were laid waste to a nuclear winter you can gaurantee LDC would still object to Falmer on the grounds of it being within an AONB.

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

It would have to be at this stage that a motion of no confidence was aimed at the Govt (its not aimed at a PM). This could only be done by the opposition i.e Tories. If this was won, then the Tories would be in and not Labour i.e no landslide for Brown.

Sorry, mate. A lost No-confidence Motion results in a General Election, as happened in 1979, when the Liberals withdrew their backing from Jim Callaghan's government, which they had propped up under the Lib-Lab pact. I am sure that another Labour victory, but with a more leftward stance, would be the inevitable result.

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

I don't want the UK to follow the US down this idiotic path, and I hope there are other 'experts' than Chaney and Rumsfeld out there ready to advise Blair, or we will be screwed.

The real danger comes from people like Richard Perle (did you hear him on Newsnight last night? He was talking in highly aggressive terms) and John Bolton, the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, who has no time for that institution.

 

[London Calling]

Its not whether the UK public will accept it, its whether the middle east and muslim countries would accept it.

Irag pushed their patience, Iran could signal all out war and watch the bombs go Israli way!

 

[Seagull73]

A point that seems to have been rather missed out here is the people of Iran. When you listen to Iranian's talk on interviews in the street, they have no appetite whatsoever for War, never mind a nuclear bomb.

They have the highest addiction rate to herion in the entire world, more than 3.5M people are addicted, and that's only those that are reported by the state, estimates are nearly double that, which makes around 10% of the population. Iranian's have had years of war's with Iraq, and Iranian people give you the impression they want to modernise and move forward, this smacks of a nation that frankly has had enough of war.

I don't think that you can ignore the PM's comments about Israel, but there's a lot of me that thinks this a lot of hot air, and that it is provocation of the international community to see what repsonse they get. And on cue, Britian and the US walk right into it.

 

[Biscuit]

I disagee with a lot that has been said on here. I think, if Iran develop nuclear capabilities to the extent that they can make an a-bomb or any other nuke weapon, then this country (and half of the western world) would be extremely foolish not to do anything about it.

We all know the massive anti west feelings these countries harbour. I don't trust any country with a nuke, let alone a country that is as unstable as Iran and has a leader who wants Palistine wiped of the map.

Action should be taken. They don't listen to debate so maybe military action is called for.

 

[Richard Whiteley]

Oh and get yourself a dictionary and look up the difference between debat and consensus.

oh the irony, you thick f***ing twat.

And I even deleted the joke you made that was at least a century old you sad kunt


you have NO friends

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Just following on from US's thread, do you think there are any circumstances in which the British public would tolerate a military strike/intervention in Iran?

The British public didn't tolerate an illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. A million marchers on the streets of London testifies to that. Still went ahead tho. Utterly gutless Labour Government failed to kick Blair's butt all the way out of Downing street to their eternal shame. A million lost Labour votes at the last election as a direct result.

I've no doubt whatsoever that Blair would unilaterally decide to do exactly the same over Iran. And I'm not sure serving Labour MPs would do any more to stop him than last time.

IMHO we should take a leaf out of France's book. Start smashing things up. Seems to be the only language these fuckers understand.

 

[TSB]

Can't see anyone standing for it.

I don't mind either way really but i would say not yet with Iraq still in the grip of civil war and afghanistan not completely over.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Can't see anyone standing for it.

Who? Great British Public or self-serving MPs?

Personally I think that any currently serving MP who votes for an illegal and immoral strike on Iran should be burnt out of their home. Just so they know EXACTLYwhat it is they're actually turning a blind eye to...

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Pakistan allies itself with China ........

Consider this statement in terms of cultural, political, social and religious similarities.

Theres more chance of me winning the Grand National as the horse.

Utter bunkum!