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[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Again these shouild all be means tested and given to those who need it. 1 means test would cover everything and every benefit or freebie.

Including the basic state pension and if not, why not?
And how would you construct a "means test" for an elderly persons bus pass? Maintaining the recipient's health and mobility was one of the major criteria for introducing these, thereby avoiding the need primary/secondary healthcare.

 

[sydney]

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[Herr Tubthumper]

and go and find something more interesting to do with your time.

Did you watch Why Don't You as a child?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Again these shouild all be means tested and given to those who need it. 1 means test would cover everything and every benefit or freebie.

Do you realise that you only get a free bus pass if you actually apply for it? Then it only costs money when it is actually used. The bus company counts the numbers and claims the amount needed.
Rich people wouldn't bother claiming one. They're available for over 60s btw, not 65.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

Did you watch Why Don't You as a child?

Looking at the 50 channels of dross we now have such a program has never been more needed............

Television X, Babestation 2, Playboy TV, was this what Lord Reith and John Logie Baird really intended?

Anyway we digress, this thread is about immigrants in Haywards Heath. Does that include people from Burgess Hill and Crawley? Lets face it, now the place has a Pound Shop it's going to get a flood of scruffy types from the worst parts of Croydon. East European Romanians are positively 'creme de la creme' by comparison.

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Do you realise that you only get a free bus pass if you actually apply for it? Then it only costs money when it is actually used. The bus company counts the numbers and claims the amount needed.
Rich people wouldn't bother claiming one. They're available for over 60s btw, not 65.

For new claimants it's now 65 if you live in England, probably 60 if you're in NI, Scotland or Wales.

 

[GT49er]

Your splitting hairs now as people who only receive state pension are automatically put on pension credit. If they do not qualify for that they shouldnt qualify for heating allowance so a form of means testing.

Not splitting hairs at all. Let's get some facts straight here. The state pension is paid to everyone who has reached pension age and has paid sufficient National Insurance contributions through their working life to qualify; it's not means tested it's been earned.

If you have not paid enough National Insurance, you won't qualify for the state pension (or only a reduced rate). You will then be means tested, and if you don't have sufficient other income or savings, your pension will be made up to state pension level with Pension Credit. Now there are many reasons why someone may not have paid sufficient National Insurance contributions, some bad luck or circumstances beyond the persons control - OR in a minority of cases because someone's an idle bugger who's never put in a day's shift in their life.

I've worked all my life, and earned my state pension. Am I less deserving of a bus pass than someone who hasn't?

And on the subject of bus passes, just consider this. We bus pass holders may not pay when we get on a bus, but the bus companies are paid large amounts of money from the council/government for conveying us, and without that revenue stream many of the bus services that you might use wouldn't be there at all.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

For new claimants it's now 65 if you live in England, probably 60 if you're in NI, Scotland or Wales.

Ah, ok. It was lowered to 60 when men objected to women getting it earlier than them but then everyone has to work until 65 now, or is it 67?

 

[BensGrandad]

Not splitting hairs at all. Let's get some facts straight here. The state pension is paid to everyone who has reached pension age and has paid sufficient National Insurance contributions through their working life to qualify; it's not means tested it's been earned.

If you have not paid enough National Insurance, you won't qualify for the state pension (or only a reduced rate). You will then be means tested, and if you don't have sufficient other income or savings, your pension will be made up to state pension level with Pension Credit. Now there are many reasons why someone may not have paid sufficient National Insurance contributions, some bad luck or circumstances beyond the persons control - OR in a minority of cases because someone's an idle bugger who's never put in a day's shift in their life.

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My point was more in relation to winter heating allowance being paid to people living in warm countries like Spain Portugal and Cyprus. Is it not common sense that they should not qualify for heating allowance as not living in the UK? Also as you say pension credit is means tested so give it to those people as they are obviously the ones who need it. This is an extra allowance given by the government to help people out. If they have a pension or are of independant means then surely they dont need it. It is not like state pension you have paid for it so entitled to it, it is an extra.

 

[The Spanish]

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My point was more in relation to winter heating allowance being paid to people living in warm countries like Spain Portugal and Cyprus. Is it not common sense that they should not qualify for heating allowance as not living in the UK? Also as you say pension credit is means tested so give it to those people as they are obviously the ones who need it. This is an extra allowance given by the government to help people out. If they have a pension or are of independant means then surely they dont need it. It is not like state pension you have paid for it so entitled to it, it is an extra.

It snows in Portugal cyprus and Spain in the winter too. If people have paid in they get out. That's what we should be proud of, not annoyed that people might have moved within the eu and still get a return on their contributions. Its very warm in Sussex in the winter compared to most of the uk, perhaps it should be weighted depending on if you live in aviemore rather than East Sussex?

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

My point was more in relation to winter heating allowance being paid to people living in warm countries like Spain Portugal and Cyprus. Is it not common sense that they should not qualify for heating allowance as not living in the UK? Also as you say pension credit is means tested so give it to those people as they are obviously the ones who need it. This is an extra allowance given by the government to help people out. If they have a pension or are of independant means then surely they dont need it. It is not like state pension you have paid for it so entitled to it, it is an extra.

No it isn't, it's a recognition by HMG that the level of the full state pension is inadequate.

 

[Felpham Seagull]

dont expect any sympathy from all the lefties on here mate

 

[Gullys Cats]

Earler this week a large blue van LWB Sprinter size pulled up outside our flats. It had Romanian number plates with 3 people a couple and young child about 4yrs old. All the boxes had A4 sheets on them with the address ? ?Court xx
xxxRoad Haywards Heath Sussex ENGLAND.


The address given is a 2 bedroom flat occupied by a foreign man wife and son in early 20s. Obviously if this new family move in the flat will be over crowded. Does this mean that family who possibly drove from Romania will jump the housing lists and become eligible for housing association rehousing. Something is wrong when the lists are subject to such manipulation.

The family can be seen walking about so are obviously staying/living there now.

If they wear Lonsdale your bang in trouble .

 

[BensGrandad]

No it isn't, it's a recognition by HMG that the level of the full state pension is inadequate.

So they give an extra allowance to help people out., as I said.