I'm STILL Team CMS, and still proud if it

[Stat Brother]

Much of my reasoning for CMS to set the league on fire, just hasn't come true.
But not because of CMS, but because we are still playing a shit defensive formation.
Yesterday Buckley was taken out of the game and Orlandi moved back into defence, so that was it CMS was on a hiding to nothing again.
He gets no support
Barnes isn't up to it.
Dobbie, Dave, KLL, Vicente don't play.
He has no other forward at the club (Toby who)

If I were CMS id be thinking long and hard about the next offer and what that manager can offer him.
Because his current manager seems unable to field a team conducive to scoring.

 

[algie]

Did you go yesterday ?

 

[blockhseagull]

Much of my reasoning for CMS to set the league on fire, just hasn't come true.
But not because of CMS, but because we are still playing a shit defensive formation.
Yesterday Buckley was taken out of the game and Orlandi moved back into defence, so that was it CMS was on a hiding to nothing again.
He gets no support
Barnes isn't up to it.
Dobbie, Dave, KLL, Vicente don't play.
He has no other forward at the club (Toby who)

If I were CMS id be thinking long and hard about the next offer and what that manager can offer him.
Because his current manager seems unable to field a team conducive to scoring.

I'd agree with pretty much all of that

Yeah CMS should have scored yesterday but he is still our best option in attack! Only 7 players have scored more goals than him this season yet suddenly he is shit ?

What we do need is someone to support him and for Poyet to take the handbrake off and try and win games, either with a 2nd striker or two wingers. Us playing Barnes in that withdrawn role is basically saying our defence and midfield aren't up to the job and they need help. Not saying Barnes was crap yesterday but he didn't do anything of note defensively for me, everything he did well was attacking.

 

[bhawoddy]

I'd agree with pretty much all of that

Yeah CMS should have scored yesterday but he is still our best option in attack! Only 7 players have scored more goals than him this season yet suddenly he is shit ?

What we do need is someone to support him and for Poyet to take the handbrake off and try and win games, either with a 2nd striker or two wingers. Us playing Barnes in that withdrawn role is basically saying our defence and midfield aren't up to the job and they need help. Not saying Barnes was crap yesterday but he didn't do anything of note defensively for me, everything he did well was attacking.

Agree with both posts, but what I would say is that His goals/chances ratio is shocking. He's had some amazing chances this year and a return of 9 goals is poor quite frankly. At least 3 of those were deflections too with a pen added for good measure.

 

[blockhseagull]

Agree with both posts, but what I would say is that His goals/chances ratio is shocking. He's had some amazing chances this year and a return of 9 goals is poor quite frankly. At least 3 of those were deflections too with a pen added for good measure.

His goals/chances ratio has never been that good... Peterborough created lots of chances for him to score those goals

Yeah he has missed some sitters, but scored couple of class goals as well, and as regard to deflections and pens does that REALLY matter ? Most of the leading scorers in this division, Murray, King etc all take pens.

If we want a player who is going to tuck every chance away you are then looking at a Austin/Rhodes type fee. Although we paid £2.5m for CMS that doesn't actually seem to be a lot for a goal scorer in this league when we look at Rhodes fee and how much Rodriguez went to Stains for.

CMS hasn't worked out like most of us dreamed but he is still well on course for 15-20 goals yet still deemed not good enough by some on here who can't wait to get Hoskins in because he looks good. I like Hoskins as well but a player who scored one goal while on loan at Sheff Utd is suddenly better than CMS ?

He is the scapegoat because he has missed a few sitters and sadly cost such a high fee, Poyet needs to change in order to get the best out of him.

 

[Stat Brother]

Did you go yesterday ?

I watched the feed.

So I saw him defend most of the game.
I saw him only have 2 chances, one of which he missed by 2 inches.

I'd hate to think how many he would have got, had he been playing for Palace.

 

[stss30]

Yesterday, I agree, he had few chances. Mainly due to playing with 10 men and 3 defenders for 84 minutes. However, there have been games at the Amex this season where he's had loads of chances and still failed to convert.

 

[Stat Brother]

Agree with both posts, but what I would say is that His goals/chances ratio is shocking. He's had some amazing chances this year and a return of 9 goals is poor quite frankly. At least 3 of those were deflections too with a pen added for good measure.

But over half of the games played this season and most of last, CMS would need to have a 1 scored from 2 chances ratio.

P'boro was an aberration due to CMS' NEED to score.

After Barnsley & Sheff Wed I thought we were unbeatable.
But now we are back with 2 even 3 holding midfielders, which is inexcusable.

 

[bhawoddy]

His goals/chances ratio has never been that good... Peterborough created lots of chances for him to score those goals

Yeah he has missed some sitters, but scored couple of class goals as well, and as regard to deflections and pens does that REALLY matter ? Most of the leading scorers in this division, Murray, King etc all take pens.

If we want a player who is going to tuck every chance away you are then looking at a Austin/Rhodes type fee. Although we paid £2.5m for CMS that doesn't actually seem to be a lot for a goal scorer in this league when we look at Rhodes fee and how much Rodriguez went to Stains for.

CMS hasn't worked out like most of us dreamed but he is still well on course for 15-20 goals yet still deemed not good enough by some on here who can't wait to get Hoskins in because he looks good. I like Hoskins as well but a player who scored one goal while on loan at Sheff Utd is suddenly better than CMS ?

He is the scapegoat because he has missed a few sitters and sadly cost such a high fee, Poyet needs to change in order to get the best out of him.

I know what your saying but it's not only about the lack of goals he scores to chances created its his inability to fit in with our style of play. Whilst he should take no blame for this aspect, Hoskins offers something different that certainly suits the way we play. His hold up skills are far better and that brings in players like Debbie,Buckley etc.. Who need to be played into decent positions rather than have to create everything for themselves.

 

[bhawoddy]

I watched the feed.

So I saw him defend most of the game.
I saw him only have 2 chances, one of which he missed by 2 inches.

I'd hate to think how many he would have got, had he been playing for Palace.

Yes but that's the problem, he's had tons of opportunities to score with us and he's failed to convert most. If he had been in palaces side yesterday we would have only lost 1-0

 

[somerset]

When Barnes is on the pitch Cms struggles a bit, when with others he looks more dynamic and dangerous.

 

[bhawoddy]

But over half of the games played this season and most of last, CMS would need to have a 1 scored from 2 chances ratio.

P'boro was an aberration due to CMS' NEED to score.

After Barnsley & Sheff Wed I thought we were unbeatable.
But now we are back with 2 even 3 holding midfielders, which is inexcusable.

I agree, hate the fact we play 3 similar players in there. They seem to fall over themselves at time too. Does more harm than good.

 

[Stat Brother]

I could understand Barnes' inclusion if there were no other options.
But there are and currently the team is not working.

It's not just Barnes.

Why were Crofts & Dave signed?

I felt, wrongly, Crofts would be 10 yards behind CMS, aiding CMS with the through ball and occupying a defensive player away from CMS.

 

[blockhseagull]

I know what your saying but it's not only about the lack of goals he scores to chances created its his inability to fit in with our style of play. Whilst he should take no blame for this aspect, Hoskins offers something different that certainly suits the way we play. His hold up skills are far better and that brings in players like Debbie,Buckley etc.. Who need to be played into decent positions rather than have to create everything for themselves.

I agree about Hoskins, but isn't that why he should be playing with CMS rather than instead of ?

 

[bhawoddy]

I agree about Hoskins, but isn't that why he should be playing with CMS rather than instead of ?

For me the jury is still out over Hoskins but I'm a firm believer that if things continue to stay the way they are then we won't be getting promoted this year. Gus loves 1 up front, and he ain't for changing.

Those of us who don't like it will have to lump it I'm afraid.

 

[One Love]

I watched the feed.

So I saw him defend most of the game.
I saw him only have 2 chances, one of which he missed by 2 inches.

I'd hate to think how many he would have got, had he been playing for Palace.

He'd have got none.

There was a moment in the first half that for me sums him up.

He had dropped back into midfield to defend and he intercepted a cross field ball. The touch needed to bring it under control would have meant the ball leaving his boot by a foot or two. The ball went 20 feet. To a Palace player who controlled it, turned and shot past the post.

Watford away, Bridge sends a lovely cross right into the path of CMS coming on to it at the edge of the box. The ball hits his foot, he controls it by knocking it off into touch 20 yards away.

Two examples of what we see week in week out. He has got truly dreadful skills for a £3m player. Not his fault but someone's at the club for buying him.

 

[Don Quixote]

He has been getting 'no support' for a year and a half now

 

[Stat Brother]

He has been getting 'no support' for a year and a half now

Is the jist of my point.

But just to rub more salt into the wounds ours and CMS' rampant performances against Barnsley and Sheff Wed just shows what we could have.

 

[El Sid]

Because his current manager seems unable to field a team conducive to scoring.

It's time we started with Dobbie and CMS. I'm starting to wonder why we signed Dobbie, he's not been give a real chance despite showing good skills when coming on as sub. Given time this pairing could prove successful.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I really think both parties should cut their losses sooner rather than later. CMS may make a major difference somewhere. But not here.