[Football] If Palace can't play in the Europa League

[seagull_si]

Please explain how we cheated in the FA Cup win. Its not our fault the officials decided it was not a red card, in the same way that it wasnt our fault that the penalty was the wrong decision, as Mitchell plays the ball

I have only just looked at the penalty decision as I see it referenced a lot, manly my you. It has always been my understanding that a foul can still be committed by a player even if they touch the ball. A quick ChatGPT search confirms this as well as giving an example of a sliding tackle where the player makes contact with the player after the ball, which in my opinion is what happened.

 

[Berty23]

I have only just looked at the penalty decision as I see it referenced a lot, manly my you. It has always been my understanding that a foul can still be committed by a player even if they touch the ball. A quick ChatGPT search confirms this as well as giving an example of a sliding tackle where the player makes contact with the player after the ball, which in my opinion is what happened.

Exactly. Isn’t this what happened vs Arsenal when lamptey gave a pen. Got ball but took out man who might have got it.

 

[schmunk]

Watford and Udinese are owned by different members (father and son) of the same family. Totally separate ownership you see.

Daddy is now selling Udinese to an investment firm.

 

[Seagull on the Hill]

Please explain how we cheated in the FA Cup win. Its not our fault the officials decided it was not a red card, in the same way that it wasnt our fault that the penalty was the wrong decision, as Mitchell plays the ball

You didn't cheat, but you got very very lucky.

 

[Stato]

You didn't cheat, but you got very very lucky.

Henderson cheated. He was caught, but not punished correctly.

 

[nicko31]

Henderson cheated. He was caught, but not punished correctly.

Not sure he did cheat to be fair. The issue is incompetent officials that essentially bottled it

 

[Washie]

Not sure he did cheat to be fair. The issue is incompetent officials that essentially bottled it

He's not allowed to handle outside the area. He cheated, even if he didn't mean to, and wasn't punished for it.

 

[eaglesdan]

I gave you a history lesson on Tuesday, now comes the English lesson:

CHEAT

verb
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

2.
avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.

So, in summary, Henderson's actions meet both points. Definitively, literally, absolutely - CHEATING.

But in that case every player in every team is a cheat

Any foul is cheating, diving is cheating, etc

What makes what Henderson did any worse than anything else that occurs on a football pitch? Not all fouls are penalised. Bernardo cheated when he dived for the penalty and Mitchell played the ball.

Thanks for the English lesson, but not sure you have fully thought through the way the definition is applied

 

[Pavilionaire]

But in that case every player in every team is a cheat

Any foul is cheating, diving is cheating, etc

What makes what Henderson did any worse than anything else that occurs on a football pitch? Not all fouls are penalised. Bernardo cheated when he dived for the penalty and Mitchell played the ball.

Thanks for the English lesson, but not sure you have fully thought through the way the definition is applied

Look mate, quit with the whataboutery. The whole world could see Haaland was through on goal, he was going to get to the ball first. Henderson knew that so he intentionally handled the ball outside the area to prevent a goal - that's cheating.

There was nothing accidental about it, the keeper had time to decide what he was going to do. All the pundits agreed at h/t he should have seen red, and then it would have been a different game.

Bottom line - you won the FA Cup, Glasner sussed O'Reilly was not a left-back and targetted him in the first half, his tactics were spot on and you executed a defensive masterclass. Fair play to Palace, as beating Villa then Citeh is not easy.

But however much you don't like it, nothing will take away from the fact the officials made one of the biggest howlers in Cup Final history, your keeper cheated and should have been sent off. They say you need luck to win the Cup and Palace are living proof of that.

 

[Brian Munich]

Grauniad is a level above click-bait media, isn’t it?

Crystal Palace’s Europe place in balance after Uefa rejects owners’ blind trust move

Uefa has rejected offers from Palace co-owners John Textor and David Blitzer to put their shares in a blind trust so the club can compete in Europe next season

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bodian]

Grauniad is a level above click-bait media, isn’t it?

Crystal Palace’s Europe place in balance after Uefa rejects owners’ blind trust move

Uefa has rejected offers from Palace co-owners John Textor and David Blitzer to put their shares in a blind trust so the club can compete in Europe next season

www.theguardian.com

So, if (if) UEFA have 'rejected' the blind trust option - what option are they expecting to come forward that they will 'accept'? Presumably the sale of his shares in one or other club?

 

[Shooting Star]

Ooo, this just got tasty.

 

[lawros left foot]

Reading the whole article it sounds a bit iffy for Palace.


With the proviso that it’s kosher.

How long does it take to sell shares in a football club?

 

[Hugo Rune]

Ooo, this just got tasty.

Yes indeed.

But like everyone else on this board, I'm confident
that our profoundly slippery and lucky northern neighbours will still get their prize.

However, reading this sort of stuff does make one chuckle fairly hard, even if it's just a case of enjoying the current discomfort of their support whilst knowing that the spawny eels will eventually slip their way into the draw in a week or so.

"Palace are in danger of paying a heavy price for their lack of foresight, leading to considerable frustration at Uefa’s lack of flexibility.

Uefa declined to comment, but sources at the European governing body stressed that given more than 300 clubs take part in its competitions each season, it has to ensure that the regulations are applied consistently." Guardian

 

[Greenbag50]

In theory, but we all know how it would really work. The trustees know they work for the owner, and if the owner were to casually remark to somebody at some business meeting what he thought the club should do? Well, it's entirely possible that that might somehow filter back to the trustees.

Or if one club made a transfer offer to the club in blind trust? I think the trustees will know what they are expected to do. (Note: no doubt a blind trust arrangement would actually include a transfer ban between the clubs for exactly this reason).

In theory, but we all know how it would really work. The trustees know they work for the owner, and if the owner were to casually remark to somebody at some business meeting what he thought the club should do? Well, it's entirely possible that that might somehow filter back to the trustees.

Or if one club made a transfer offer to the club in blind trust? I think the trustees will know what they are expected to do. (Note: no doubt a blind trust arrangement would actually include a transfer ban between the clubs for exactly this reason).

Sounds like they missed the boat on that;
Killer line in article is the one about 300 clubs in European competitions and consistency of rules have to be applied

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Reading the whole article it sounds a bit iffy for Palace.


With the proviso that it’s kosher.

How long does it take to sell shares in a football club?

As others have mentioned on this thread, Textor selling his shares in Palace won’t be straight forward. No one from the outside will want to buy the shares and become the latest shareholder while Parish retains control of the club.

One of the other current owners buying them seems more likely but how do they split up the voting rights Textor has without upsetting the status quo?

Doesn’t seem likely to be something that can be resolved in a couple of weeks.

 

[Zeberdi]

So, if (if) UEFA have 'rejected' the blind trust option - what option are they expecting to come forward that they will 'accept'? Presumably the sale of his shares in one or other club?

They will continue to argue that Textor doesn’t have a controlling influence at board level - unfortunately this also means Textor could not unilaterally decide to put his own shares into a blind trust, even if the deadline to do so had’t passed since he has no decisive control over the Selhurst Park outfit.

The only option is probably for Textor to offload his shares in CP to other shareholders at a below market price.

 

[US Seagull]

Grauniad is a level above click-bait media, isn’t it?

Crystal Palace’s Europe place in balance after Uefa rejects owners’ blind trust move

Uefa has rejected offers from Palace co-owners John Textor and David Blitzer to put their shares in a blind trust so the club can compete in Europe next season

www.theguardian.com

Wow. Things are looking to get very interesting...

 

[Jim in the West]

Any update on what they’re saying on BBS or Holmesdale fanatics, or whatever their boards are called these days?!

 

[US Seagull]

They will continue to argue that Textor doesn’t have a controlling influence at board level - unfortunately this also means Textor could not unilaterally decide to put his shares into a blind trust, even if the deadline to do so had’t passed.

The only option is probably for Textor to offload his shares in CP .

Seems tricky according to the article:

Uefa rules make clear that any influence at two clubs in the same competition is prohibited. “No one may simultaneously be involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management, administration, and/or sporting performance of more than one club participating in a Uefa club competition,” the regulations state.

My emphasis; any capacity whatsoever, not it's okay if you are below x%.

So yeah. Unload shares. But who wants to buy a chunk of a football club pretty much sight unseen? Any new investor would want to do their due diligence. Convincing the other owners to buy him out seems like the most reasonable way forward since they, presumably, know the books already.

But another thought, if Textor isn't involved in Palace anymore, why would he give a shit whether or not they play in Europe?